Andrei Rublev - the great, Russian?

[Pecheneg]

In the early 14 century, Moscow has put forward to the throne of the Metropolitan, a native of Volhynia Ratenskogo Peter, who was at that time, the unsurpassed master ikonopisi.Ego creation is naprevzoydennaya icon of Our Lady of Peter. "Ukraine in the face Ratenskogo lost person, very educated and talented ... on from this fact one can guess who did high sacral art in medieval Russian principalities.
Particularly demonstrative person is Andrei Rublev, a rossiyskme art, without proper justification positioning as "the great Russian icon painter." However, recent studies show that Andrei Rublev - it comes from Volhynia, the village Rubelki chtookolo Vladimir-Volhynia (well-reasoned article on this topic - Tatiana and Anatoly Galkun Yakubyuka "Andrei Rublev, the myths and reality" in Volyn newspaper Veche for 01/12/1996 g.Eto one "master Andrew and his comrades", who painted the murals castle chapel and the church bernandinok in Lublin, Church College in Vislitse and then being invited Metropolitan Kipriyanov, very closely connected with Ukraine, rospisal Assumption (Vladimir-on-Klyazma), the Annunciation of the Moscow Kremlin, Trinity monastery in Andronnikovskom ..

Dmitry Stepovik "Ukrainian icon 10 - 19 centuries." Kiev Lybid 2004

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[Fed]

Russians live in Russia for 20 years. But often call themselves Russian, probably decided that only they have Russia. Oh, and by analogy, such as Russian as their territory. Although, after the collapse of the empire, more correctly in the old samonazyvatsya Muscovy, and people-Muscovites.

Why Andrei Rublev is a modern language "Russian" is clear from the next historical reference.

"In the XVIII-XIX centuries introduced a new collective ethnonym Russian, which stands at once, all three East Slavic nation.
Ancient collective designation of all the inhabitants of the ancient Russian state was Russia. To denote the same unit used the word Ruthenian, which occurs first in the treaties of the Russian princes with the Greeks in the X century. "

"In 1254 Daniil Galitsky took a Dorogochine title" King of Russia "from Pope Innocent IV, founded the Galician Royal House. Descendants of Daniel called himself rex Russiae or duces totius terrae Russiae, Galiciae et Lodomeriae («King of Russia" or "Prince of the whole earth Russian, Galician and Vladimir). Radical (an Eastern) population of Galicia (Galicia), Bukovina, Transcarpathia called itself the "Ruska" or "Ruthenians."

[Pecheneg]

Сообщение от Fed

Why Andrei Rublev is a modern language" Russian "

If Andrei Rublev in the study of Russian art at least one time referred to as "native of Volhynia and the Ukraine" is the author of the book, I think not encountered such problems, but here it means a Russian, that is, "the Muscovite.

Сообщение от Fed

samonazyvatsya Muscovy, and people-Muscovites.

[kr555]

Сообщение от Pecheneg

If Andrei Rublev in the study of Russian art at least one time referred to as "native of Volhynia and the Ukraine" is the author of the book, I think not encountered such problems, but here it means a Russian, that is, " Muscovite ".

Well, according to Alpatova he was born is not known exactly where, but probably in the Moscow principality. I do not see any dirty trick by the Russian nationalists, would it actually originates from Volhynia - and so would have written. In the end, of Greek origin does not prevent us assume Theophanes the Greek by the great Russian artist.
Or publication in the newspaper Volyn "Veche" is so serious source of what he can without any doubt, trust, and other versions of distinguished art historians to send a scrap? I do not really doubt it, just for the first time I hear about it.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Pecheneg; 1450091"

Had Andrei Rublev in the study of Russian art at least one time referred to as "native of Volhynia and the Ukraine"

Well, even before Rublev got ...:
Avant-garde is also considered by some critics - not Russian, and Ukrainian ...
Just forget all that Ukraine broke away to Russia in 1991. All sections should be considered after this, as if the Ukrainian colleagues did not hurt ... All that happened before that - was within the jurisdiction of the Russian Empire. Like it or not ... Could get out before the Empire, but because something prevented not come out?
And now - create, build their own, Ukrainian ... No need to ascribe to itself the Russian achievement.

[Pecheneg]

Сообщение от kr555

Greek origin does not prevent us assume Theophanes the Greek by the great Russian artist.

From what Theophanes native of Byzantium, and the ruble from Volhynia, or Muscovy, however great they are from not just stali.Ya cited a passage from the book and agree with the position of the author or not, it's a private matter.

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Сообщение от Maroussia

Ukraine separated from Russia in 1991.

Not separated from Russia, but withdrew from the SSSR.YA live within 40 km from the Ukrainian-Russian border, so people how to communicate and interact with each other, nazavisimo of boundaries and divisions of the union.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Pecheneg

I live 40 km from the Ukrainian-Russian border, so people how to communicate and interact with each other, nazavisimo of boundaries and divisions of the union.

That's right, I also have many friends in Ukraine. But none of them tries to assign a Russian art, which have contributed and Ukrainians by birth, and Ukraine.
Vanguard, Andrei Rublev, what's next?

[kr555]

Сообщение от Pecheneg

From what Theophanes native of Byzantium, and the ruble from Volhynia, or Muscovy, however great they are from not just stali.Ya cited a passage from the book and agree with the position of the author or not, it's personal everyone's business.

Yes, no sane person with such a position does not agree, it's just nonsense one:

Andrei Rublev, a Russian art, without proper justification is positioned as "the great Russian icon painter".

And what was his position even if it is a great heritage - this is Russian icons? I still have no idea where he was born, maybe in the Volyn region, it generally does not change anything.

[Fed]

Сообщение от Maroussia

And now - create, build their own, Ukrainian ...
No need to ascribe to itself the Russian achievement.

So I'm basically about it - the Russian Federation, is also out of the empire.
Therefore, any who "reach" remains a big question.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Fed

So I'm basically about it - the Russian Federation, is also out of the empire.

That's the difference: the Russian Federation withdrew from the Russian Empire (not the Finnish, not Ukrainian, not Caucasian), and if not for some historical bloody events - the Great Empire and would remain ...

And even so the question can not be put: what achievements someone got - all the achievements, the achievements of the Russian Empire! By law, citizenship, and soil and not on the basis of national origin.
Achievements of Ukraine, for example, we are seeing now ...