Even in such sensitive matters as the problems associated with the consequences of World War II in culture. For me, it is important that today, this discussion reveals that the public interest to ensure that all acts committed in accordance with law and international treaties of Russia.
It is highly disadvantageous think a tantrum, which frustrated some participants, because it prevents a truth. For me as a bureaucrat, it is important that all was done according to the law, and in that sense I am extremely pleased and that the problem Baldin collection discussed in the Duma, and what steps the Ministry is studying the prosecutor's office, and that the situation is under the supervision of the President. Once again I want to emphasize, there are no parties to the conflict, the more opponents. Opponents have remained on the fields of the Second World War. All the controversy and debate that goes around "the Baldin collection" and around displaced values, it seems fruitful for the present and future.
- You are sincerely glad to see this?
- Of course, it is important to only one circumstance. The controversy must be fair. The debate should not be misleading nor society, nor the Parliament nor the executive branch nor the media nor the first president. Nikolai Gubenko thrice misled all participants in the discussion: it is misleading and the president, and his colleagues in the parliament. The first time he insisted that the Baldin collection is part of the museum's array, which should be governed by the Law On Displaced values. This, in fact, built to address the parliament to the president. The second time, when Mr. Gubenko reported to the president of a protocol of intent in 1993, which not only has not lost its strength due to the emergence of new laws including the Law on Displaced values ", but intended to return to the Bremen collection of unfavorable conditions, Russia . And, finally, the last - when tried to convince the public that legislators and the performers must work together to implement the laws. This is contrary to the constitutional separation of powers. I do not know for what reasons, performed all these actions, Mr. Gubenko, but also to work constructively on the Baldin collection to a man like me and my colleagues in the ministry is very difficult. On behalf of the president, I met with Mr Gubenko, but the essence of order was that it was necessary to hold consultations with factions of the Duma, to find consensus on this issue. What I, in fact, engaged in recent days. Naturally, the "United Russia", representing the parliamentary majority, in this case seems to me the most constructive partner in the negotiations with the Duma. Although I have had conversations with the leadership of the ATP and we are preparing documents for circulation to the leaders of all factions, including the Communist Party.
Grievances Mr. Gubenko the way he was met at the Ministry - as we found it absolutely in ethics, which, let's say, than on parliamentary goodwill and tolerance, "- seem to me more than strange. Everyone knows that we have known since 1965, but to be on "you" with a man who during the week of reproach in all media, even for me, a man of peace-loving and ready for a variety of compromises, a highly difficult. I have not said yet that Mr. Gubenko sent a letter to Prosecutor General's Office about the activities of the Ministry of Culture in general and the minister himself, but for this I am grateful to him only because I also treated with similar requests. True, not in the form samodonosa, and through the press and the relevant authorities.
- How do you comment on that, by the way, submission, signed by Deputy Attorney General?
- Because the prosecutor's office sent its opinion by marking it marked "For Official Use Only", I, as a bureaucrat, I can not publish it. I can only say that the statements of Mr. Gubenko, in my view, premature, and the Ministry of Culture in response to the submission of the Attorney-General will address a letter in which we ask to clarify some of the positions reporting, because we did nothing that would violate Russia's law . I am deeply convinced. On Wednesday I met with representatives of the faction "United Russia" and hope that this faction and its leaders will help us in a dialogue with the German side, and with the State Duma, and with the public. I believe that we can get for Bremen collection twice as much as that on which insists Nikolai Gubenko. And the preliminary agreement is quite convince me of this.
- How do you think ...
- No, I would like to comment on some more recent statements by Nikolai Nikolaevich. Now my shamelessness. The memory of my brothers and sisters, which burned in the 41-th year, the memory of dozens of relatives who fought and died on the battlefield, my father, crippled at Stalingrad, did not allow me to never forget what happened in our country during the war . I never even talked to anyone at all, because it did not consider it necessary, they say, show the wound. But I'm no worse than Mr. Gubenko know why the Germans came to my land. But apparently, I am more than Gubenko, respect for modern Russia, because I firmly know that we have entered into the civilized world and must live by civilized rules. And should not enjoy the fact that we rightfully belongs. I - an official at the service of Russia and the state will act in the interests Rossiyskogo state and its laws. To Rossiyskogo States - observe good neighborly relations with its partners, especially in such difficult historical moments, like today, when Russia and Germany stand together against the war in Iraq. But I will not break any law of Russia in order to please someone outside my country. I am confident that justice and right will prevail.
- It is known that "Baldin collection" is not part of the state assembly. Yet. Do not spoil it, after the current decision of the General Prosecutor's Office, the de facto ban the export of collections, with the official Berlin?
- I do not think that they spoil fundamentally. But for me there is much that we do not follow international laws, while the German partner, they should. I am not talking about what the price return, I say that we return the belongings of Russian descent, on demand and at a time when they are identified as a Russian thing. Naturally, this left its mark on relations with Berlin. But this is not the business of my agency.
- Since the exhibition of drawings in Bremen, scheduled to open on March 29, the collection was in these very days to go across the border ...
- I warned colleagues that this does not happen, because I do not want to violate the law.
- What would be the way forward "Baldin collection"? Back to the Hermitage? Back to the Museum of Architecture?
- The collection will be stored in ROSIZO, there is the normal state repository, otherwise not required. Just want to see: a collection of drawings - not a toy, such figures could ever exhibited only two months of the year. Therefore, opens and closes the box, we will not.
- Are not you afraid of prosecution? I mean personal - say, for exceeding their authority?
- You see, I am a normal person. All are afraid of something, including criminal prosecution. But in order to bring criminal charges against me, to prove that I broke.
Published in Nezavisimaya Gazeta on 20.03.2003
Source:
http://www.ng.ru/culture/2003-03-20/1_shvydkoi.html