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Сообщение от Fed
But I think it is logical to admit that if the arms of the capital, blue yellow, like the color of the masses and many cities of Ukraine Hetman's arms, the flag of the state and is well suited for blue yellow. .
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I can not agree: in heraldry will destvovat logic downwards (by state)
As for the mass of cities ... I'm not above chance brought arms from the same armorial, as well, Russian (Vladimir, Novgorod), and that, "nevpolne" (Astrakhan), and everywhere gold (yellow) and blue, but Chernigov (
Actually, the adoption of various heraldic elements, usually predschestvuet certain "heraldic" history (Cossacks Mazepa navrode). Her and wanted to hear.
Although it might appear schetanie and a little earlier, and also from Sweden in 1657 when, at Rada in Korsun signed it and the alliance between the hetman Swedish Kingdom ... Out of this pravdv Pereyaslavl contract with "one of the Russian principalities." Well then there was the Ruin ...
On the coat of arms Baturin so many questions. History after all is a relatively new - XVII century. It is interesting to see precisely when the flag was adopted. They are, in general, two! (Second in the annex and red fleur-based!) Do you drawing from Panchenko, "she Miski mistechkovi Herbie Ukraina"). Residence of the hetman (Left Bank) began in 1669, after the separation. It's left bank, with its left-bank attitude towards Poland, and "one of the Russian principalities" ... There and "hooligan" is a Mazeppa ...
By the way. if you bring a coat of arms as an argument to be given today ICC coat Getmanschiny (Cossack with rifle on his shoulder) likely will not agree: although drawn from and on the similarity of the Polish heraldic shield Ampire XVII-XVIII (stretched skin), but not in the main geraldichen songs and more like a drawing of the late XIX or even 1992 ...
Yes, but what you do not term Telegram Little? Be respectful and historically ... And nothing of bull and from school Grushevskogo on what govovili Bandera Kravchuk, Kuchma .... In a small Greek or vice versa - would be proud), Ukraine, in my opinion, no matter how priznosi where no heed to the West or the East, that is not .... No?)
And I beg you, if possible, do not jump to such lekostyu from the outskirts of the suburbs and from century to century, so the trend does not follow. First, you leaned on the century XIX and non-Ukrainian Rusyns, then, for non-Ukrainian principality of Galich and vrug, century XVII and Buchanan ... I otkruchu neck. Have pity on me)))