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Сообщение от fross

Do not panic - all chocolate !

Caution with chocolate! Cocoa - a terrible force, easily crushing the spirits and even the gods. : eek:
Do not believe me? Here's proof:

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"In some developed societies of tropical Africa ... religious leader allocates land as a representative of chthonic forces, the occult influence of which does not manifest itself outwardly, but there is still considerable in depth. As a rule, his authority extends only to the traditional food crops, because crops and industrial crops such as coffee plantations or cacao from the beginning out of the area of customary law and develop their own way.
    In forest areas the cultivation of new species of shrubs ... caused a variety of shocks, and this "revolution" was not limited to the economic area, and resulted in frustration most of the existing institutions. Many of the management structure of the tribes have not recovered from the blow. This skvzalos on calendar order of the rituals, the scheme of important ceremonies during initiation. At the same time several traditional worship ceased to exist "

(From the book by French anthropologist and art historian Bohumil Olya "Gods of Tropical Africa", Moscow, 1976)

Сообщение от nikola

In what position do the analysis? From the position of European art? And is it possible to understand the deep roots of aesthetics alien culture? Imbued with complex aromas and visual images. Art is a product of spiritual activity of man, a reflection of past and future in one moment. To understand, to see even a little above born in Africa, to be born with African blood. In a sense, art is a spiritual blood of the people.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A zachem ego ponimat ', tem bolee, chto vy pishete, chto eto nevozmozno? V negrov my prevratit'sia ne mozem. Dostatochno ne otritsat 'ego suschestvovaniia, i ne obiazatel'no nazyvat' eto iskusstvom.

nikola, now hardly dare to tell the position of European art. I suspect that there are none. We'll have to determine its position.

The main charm of traditional crops for the half-civilization of the European (European-American, evroavstraliyskogo) observer - in syncretism, the indivisibility of different types of spiritual activities. Study of these cultures can touch the very origins of science, religion, art.
Why? And then, that in "non-classical" periods of history - and we're going through this - is breaking all ossified, outdated and soul of the living concepts.

And the artist, and philosopher involve "complex smells and visual images of African cultures, even if their blood no negrogena, because through these images for the intuitive and imaginative Europeans shine not only the specific ethno-cultural archetypes, but archetypes are universal.

Thus these strange masks and statues give rise to the revision of our concepts, including the aesthetic. The true concept alive until they are reviewed. When they cease to question and begin to "understand" (and "live by the concepts") - then by the time it's not the tools of mind, but maloosmyslennye "common place" (and asks you to write - a pair of crutches for the disabled on the head) .

For the life of art the most important - a review of "art". Every true artist consciously or unconsciously doing just that.
The attractiveness of African artifacts lies in the fact that it was "not art" can say more about the mystery of art than the "mature" and "ripe" forms evroiskusstva. It's like a quark (resorting to physical analogy) of art, not yet separated from the rational, politically correct magic and everything.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Picasso in primitive ikusstve saw the lesson of the magic of the unconscious form of subordination - which is largely determined by its artistic program.
ia tak ne dumaiu. Prosto formal'nyi podhod. Modno bylo eto v to vremia i ekzotichno.

The gap between the consciousness of modern European and African artist and magician are not so insurmountable.
Mozno seriozno posporit 'po etomu povodu. Is moego opyta - sovershenno ne preodolima.
A zachem preodolevat '? My sovsem rasnye. Glavnoe ne nachat 'za eto ubivat' drug druga.
Prinimat ', uvazat' i sledovat 'ne obiazatel'no.

Alexander is not only a formal approach. I recall that I found on this subject Meister:

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Сообщение от Meister

In 1907, Pablo Picasso goes on show in the Trocadero Museum of Ethnography, which, as he later acknowledged, he will open the true meaning of painting. "These masks were more than just a sculpture. Negros - patrons, casters. Against all, against the unknown, hostile spirits. ... All the idols perform the same function. They were weapons. To help people become independent, so that people contumacious spirits. If we attach to the form of spirits, we become independent. Perfume, subconscious, emotions - all the same. I understood why I am an artist. "Les Demoiselles d'Avignon" there must be on the same day. This was my first experience of exorcism ... »[Foster: 37].
In the primitive art of Picasso opens the meaning of modern art: to realize the irrationality of the universe, using the "magic" of primitive ritual. Each piece of primitive art of telling a myth, restored the connection between man and the universe, "reminded" the mystery of a world related to the power of words. Avant-garde artists were not limited to borrowing primitive traditions, but sought to reincarnate into the primitive creator, putting in svoiproizvedeniya not aesthetic, but also a sacred meaning. "This is not a drop of aesthetics, it's magic, which mediates between the hostile forces and us, an opportunity to feel the power, to subordinate the form of our fears and passions. The day when they realized this, I found my way. Designer creates a primitive mask (Picasso, E. Nolde, Expressionism), gives expression to their fears and passions, "spontaneous" in themselves and in the world.

And about the fruitfulness of the art of overcoming insurmountable, I suggested above.