Сообщение от Tiutchev
B. Posner: You know, I have decided to enter into our program a new heading. It's called "Direct Speech". It quotes a guest, which I just reading, so that guests commented on his own words.
Alexander Sokurov: The answer is, yes?
Vladimir Pozner: Well, direct speech. "Living at home, I feel insecure. Social insecurity, personal. I understand that with me at any moment can happen, anything, and every day for some reason I feel this danger more and more. I feel about her well because I was heavily under the Soviet regime - and then I had a problem with the state, but I would say that now the situation is even more acute, it is much harder. "
Alexander Sokurov: Well, I think, here says it all.
B. Posner: And do you feel ... Still, I do not really understand how can it be now more and more acute than during the Soviet era, when every step of the KGB, when they could sit at any time, even when it was impossible to go to court - it was absolutely disadvantageous everything. Why do you say that you are even more acute today? What do you justify? Explain.
Alexander Sokurov: You know, I need people. I need people around me, around me people I need. I need people who are experiencing similar to what I am worried, sick, maybe because I'm sick. And I still see some degradation of the humanitarian community, humanitarian, human degradation. Very often, I do not have any bearing, well, except, perhaps, books, and circle of close friends.
B. Posner: But you are talking about vulnerability, personal insecurity.
Sokurov: Yes, yes.
Vladimir Pozner: Still?
Alexander Sokurov: It is very difficult formulated emotional state. Maybe it comes from the city where you live such a difficult, complicated lives.
Vladimir Pozner: I understand what you say.
Alexander Sokurov: Because Saint-Petersburg - the city is very complicated. Just a complicated city.
Vladimir Pozner: I understand. But simply, if I were asked today and 20 years ago, "How do you feel?" I would still say: "And then I was not protected, and today, but today still more protected." Well, is my feeling. You do not?
Sokurov: I do not have that feeling. I do not support, I have no confidence in the future.
B. Posner: A, in the future?
Sokurov: I'm afraid I'm afraid ...
Vladimir Pozner: Then it was, or what?
Alexander Sokurov: Then it was, yes. I fear for society, I fear for the state, I fear for some sort of unpredictability, irreversibility of the situation around me. And while I understand that in the event of this complexity, and despite the fact that this conflict has developed suddenly, no one will protect neither the society nor the culture nor the state. People who perhaps would be ready to defend ... Let the half-knowing what's going on - I do not lack them, very few of them, in my opinion.
Vladimir Pozner: Direct speech. "I really do not like the modern state structure in Russia. I do not like her lack of talent for the state organization for the untalented public life from top to bottom. I see ineptly organized local government, totally unprofessional occupation of his house. I remember very well how to deal with these problems our past state - Kurguzov, often silly, but it is clearly understood: this problem the state has. Now this is no understanding at all, and we're closer to the abyss. " To what abyss?
Alexander Sokurov: The abyss is when people deny the right of the State to exist when people refuse to understand the law, to regulate life.
B. Posner: So it's a revolution you are talking about rebellion.
Alexander Sokurov: Because I myself have repeatedly faced with situations where it is impossible to reach, to reach those people who must make decisions just like in the city. You know, not to each official will enter. I even would say that to any officer will not get. If you're just a man, then you have no connection with the leadership - whether the district level is higher and there is already general. This is nothing. People living in cities, big cities - they are not protected. If nobody hears, nobody responds to the fact that they handle. Nobody knows what the pain in his soul of these people. They just do not hear. Try to submit any request, please try to solve the most basic question. I have spoken repeatedly Yeltsin and, probably, in the presence of Vladimir Vladimirovich, I said several times: "It creates a hard-hearted Russian state." This is the way to the abyss.
Vladimir Pozner: hard-hearted?
Alexander Sokurov: hard-hearted nation. Because in my opinion ... Well, Russia - is a teenager, this state, we somehow it does not yet established, we can not understand what the state in Russia, a place some emphasis in this state is. What is it for the body? In all likelihood, Russia - a living organism.
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