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Pecheneg 17.07.2010 22:04

Gold rusts??
 
In Russia have started to corrode, gold coins


Gold investment coins "George" the Central Bank of Russia
Photo: trust.ua

Employees International Reserve payment system (MRRS) found in the gold investment coins "George" the Central Bank of Russia corrosion and rust


Brown spots appeared on several thousands of coins, although it is known that pure gold does not react and not oxidized.

Gold sample "three nines" - the only one in Russia, which is not subject to VAT, that is a real object for investment, transfers trust.ua.

According to the Managing Director of the Group Herman Sterligova Ivan Zhiznevskogo where you store the coins, it is impossible to understand where did these spots.

"Our coins are stored in safe deposit boxes, and in more remote places. The coins formed large brown spots, red streaks, and we could not understand where did it rust. Standard examination shows that this is gold. Can this defect production, possibly an admixture of some kind of hit ", - said Zhiznevsky.

He added that at the moment MRRS got rid of all stocks of coins, bought up earlier. Now they are completely excluded from the company's operations to determine all the circumstances of the case.

http://focus.ua/foreign/132846

SergeiSK 17.07.2010 22:45

Interesting news. The very long and often buy investment coins made of gold. I think that this "duck". This "marriage" in the issuance of coins can not be by definition.
If I'm not mistaken International Reserve payment system - is the brainchild of Herman Sterligov, very strange fellow, who himself coined gold coins and use them in their village. This is most likely an internal problem MRRS not related to the quality produced by Mint "Saint George".

Кирилл Сызранский 17.07.2010 22:51

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As the MRRS, Sberbank of Russia issued an internal instruction, ordering yet to take "the defective coins with the appearance of red and black spots". It should be noted that the weight and density of the rusty coins coincide with the characteristics of gold that is conventional methods of testing the purity of the metal show: in front of you is gold. We think that the experts will be interesting to determine the nature of this phenomenon.
http://group.sterligoff.ru/?p=2435

SergeiSK 17.07.2010 23:10


sergejnowo 17.07.2010 23:18

10 years ago collecting Russian, modern gold coins in 900, and 999.
Coins dating from about 1980 (Olympics) and to this day.
In my opinion, not less than 3-5%of such coins in the market have the brown spots.
In the details I did not go, in my opinion, this is a reaction with air is not washed off before the end of reagents, drugs used in the minting /polishing.
But not a fact.
These spots are not displayed by ordinary solvents such as turpentine, acetone, alcohol, ammonia, etc.
They appear in two or three special lotion cleaner rollers in copiers. We must be careful with that thing on her plastic-read flow through 2-3 minutes. Gold does not react to it.
These coins have been on the market a little cheaper, minus 10 - 15%that I am unspeakably glad :D

Евгений 18.07.2010 09:41

Employees of the Criminal Investigation Department in conjunction with operatives of Criminal Investigation, Moscow region conducted an operation which resulted in the sham priest arrested. He sold counterfeit unique antique silver and gold coins, the price which the market reaches tens of thousands of dollars.
 DepUR Ministry of Internal Affairs: the suspect arrested in the act at the bus station of Mozhaisk Moscow region at a time when he received cash of $ 13 thousand dollars for the sale of fake gold coins rarity 25 rubles, 1896, auction price at which more than 100 thousand dollars.
Detained were 52-year-old from the city of Kazan, who arrived two years ago in the Moscow region on earnings.
Man decided to monetize by selling "remake" of rare gold coins, the originals of which have cultural and historical value. To lull the vigilance of future buyers, the suspect was wearing a priest's cassock and presented her father Sergei. When asked about the fact of the appearance of the coins said to have found them in the wall of the destroyed temple.
His victims suspect was at the flea market and antique collapse, where there is little time to evaluate the authenticity of buying, and people see the precious thing, seek it there and then buy. He told the story that restores the temple on the ruins of which have found an impressive treasure. Discovered treasures with the permission of church dignitaries, he decided to sell and the money to restore the ruined church. Cash psevdosvyaschennik always took cash only, and the proposal to transfer them to the account of the Moscow Patriarchate said categorically refused, arguing that the rebuilding of the temple will go faster when handling cash.
After the detention of a detainee under his cassock was extracted traumatic pistol "Makarov", and received in the coin money of $ 13 thousand dollars.
According to the detainee, he sells quite a long time trove and has already implemented more than one newly manufactured imperial coin.
Given the evidence, addressed the issue of a criminal case under Art. 159 of the Criminal Code (fraud).

олег назаров 18.07.2010 10:23


Евгений 18.07.2010 10:29

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 1197812)
rarity of gold coins worth 25 rubles in 1896

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 1197812)
13 thousand dollars.

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 1197872)
At this point I especially laughed

Only idiots can sell at the market a gold coin to 25 rubles, and the idiots in a double, to buy such coins (knowing its circulation) in the markets, through Inet etc.

Pecheneg 18.07.2010 14:20

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 1197812)
sold them fake gold coin rarity value of 25 rubles in 1896, the auction price at which more than 100 thousand dollars.

Over many years of training numismatics, I have not seen a single idiot who would be "on hand", the market bought a coin, worth tens of thousands of green ...

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 1197812)
received cash of $ 13 thousand dollars for the sale of fake gold coins rarity value of 25 rubles of 1896 auction price at which more than 100 thousand dollars.

 In the current modern technologies, China blocked the whole world "rarity" coins of all time ... and "heavy" Russia is no exception .. The entire set of coins of 18 th century and rare 19 ... we can say that this coin is of Chinese origin ... In the 90 - some Girenko from Kherson did fake Petrovsko-Ekaterinovskiy time ... But only difference is that Girenko cut stamps and coins minted in compliance with the technology of the era we and Chinese use the method of casting davleiem or powder metallurgy, but what these methods are not perfect and if certain skills are determined visually.

Wladzislaw 18.07.2010 16:22



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