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sant1823 14.06.2010 13:20

The authenticity of the icons?
 
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Please antiques experts, help evaluate the authenticity of the icon. If it is possible for the photo - who, when it was made and whether the value? Ryazan. Thanks!

redbor 14.06.2010 14:34

Stamp Master "I.T - Tarabrov Ivan F. - owner of gold and silver shops izdeley, 1893-1913 years.;
 It is strange that the stigma placed directly on the enamel. Above is the same stigma?
Another hallmark is? At the crown of a stamp?
 Show ... A assay where?
Strange ... Not from the Ukraine thing?

uriart 14.06.2010 15:00

sant1823, read personal messages

Металлист 14.06.2010 15:45

sant1823, all you have submitted enamel - specific Novodels.
Number of which from the beginning of this year multiplied. The new shop, or?
 I think you know it ..
Of course, here you can learn how to look like the real thing and how to put stamps ....

Кирилл Сызранский 14.06.2010 16:03

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Сообщение от Metalist (Сообщение 1148712)
all you submitted enamel - specific Novodels.

And the enamel on the book and also drobnitse Novodel?

uriart 14.06.2010 18:07

sant1823, but the icon would have to investigate.
All stamps worth a look if you do not "live" at least with a good increase on the monitor.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.06.2010 19:09

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Сообщение от sant1823 (Сообщение 1148272)
Please, antiques experts, help evaluate the authenticity of the icon.

Salary myself some authenticity, but about the enamel on the crown and in the corners, do not tell.
Then they say, the new enamel on salary, as I understood.
Then, for connoisseurs of the question: how could the angles formed clearly in the patterns of salary?
It is difficult to understand, assess not see in real.
But the author of the subject may, if it's necessary, remove the salary and even show ways of fixing components and even the rest of stigma can be photographed.
Ibid, and at the salary I see stamp-lower left hand of the Almighty, by the book.

SAH 14.06.2010 21:46

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1149082)
as if the angles formed clearly in the patterns of salary?

The salary that had angles, flat surface (often these occur), on them is to gauge enamel angles. It is in any case regardless of whether it is a remake or not.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1148762)
And the enamel on the book and on drobnitse too Novodel?

Champleve enamel is also now being done without any problems. (I do not say categorically that this is a remake yet, but ...)

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1149082)
But the author of the subject may, if it's necessary, remove the salary and even show how attachment parts on the back salary

It would not be bad.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.06.2010 22:06

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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 1149292)
salary that had corners, smooth surface

As well, the corners, smooth surface?
Salaries in the frame ornament, the field itself salary niello. Look at the work of the Almighty himation and coat-shtihilevka what, yes there and gilding and niello, and then there is only no, but the corners of "naked"?
No, I do not believe that the angles of this salary relatives were "smooth surface" ...

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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 1149292)
champleve enamel is also now being done without any problems. (I do not say categorically that this is a remake yet, but ...)

Yes, you look at the book, on the side of its edge, or rather the side.
Which is a remake, you what?

SAH 14.06.2010 22:37

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1149322)
Yes, you look at the book, on the side of its edge, or rather the side, rib.
Which is a remake, you what?

And what's with an edge? Salary oxidized much I make out there and can not. To assert that the new enamel will not. But what champleve enamel is done without problems is a fact.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1149322)
No, I do not believe that the angles of this salary relatives were "smooth surface" ...

 I saw hundreds of times. In your opinion what the surface at an angle of enamel on this salary? I think more detailed photos including the back side where the salary attaching much help to our discussion.


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