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Сергей Иванович 23.05.2010 21:37

Ancient figurine
 
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Found at a depth of 7,5 meters, digging a well, on the Black Sea p.Lazarevskoe. Give that a figure, and what period belongs?

Pecheneg 23.05.2010 22:01

The state wants the best .. you do not specify the material, the height of the statues ...
But apparently the bone material? .., Height about 5 cm and the bottom should be a hole ...
Netsuke - shows the Ape.

Сергей Иванович 23.05.2010 23:19

Ancient figurine
 
Material-stone. Height 10 sm.Otversty no bottom flat.

Amateur 24.05.2010 09:16

The most detailed advice you could give a "Museum of the resort city of Sochi." In his exposition there is such a partition as "Archaeological Sites of Sochi region." Their e-mail: museumsochi@rambler.ru

Сергей Иванович 25.05.2010 17:18

Ancient figurine
 
2009 at 21:51
Statue depicts Teyya ("Tay" - "Snow sheytan", or "snow chlovek", was considered a side branch of the legendary ancestor of the Tibetan people - "the king of the monkeys"). "King Monkey" - the holy ancestors of the Tibetan people, according to the Tibetan writing of the XIV century. "Bright Mirror royal bloodlines", authored by sakyassky Lama Bsod Gyaltsan was monkey-pupil Avalokity (Avalokiteshvara - one of the incarnations of Buddha - Sakya Muni). This monkey has been sent to Tibet Avalokitoy for contemplation, where the achieved status of a Bodhisattva: This is the degree of the Buddha - the Perfect, who did not leave the world, lost in Nirvana, but stayed on the ground, and can act as a deity - over time and space. Here in Tibet, King-monkey-Bodhisattva has to seduce Mountain Witch. Avalokita advised Monkey Bodhisattva to marry her, that blessed from heaven Goddess Tanning and Tara. From this marriage were born six monkeys, a diverse group: one pair of them looked like the animals-monkeys - hairy and menacing (our case!), One - per person, and one - on the gods. Gradually, the offspring of these monkeys atrophied tails and disappeared wool, and they were forced to make clothing to keep her warm.
In the Hermitage terracotta statuettes of monkeys - the ancestors of Tibetans found in Khotan. This stone statue of a more archaic, and with marked mongoloid facial features department (analog may serve on the famous stele Orhonte with mongoloid face VII-VIII cc.). The manner of transfer of wool on this stone statue, and posture - like terracotta of Khotan.

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Amateur 26.05.2010 16:49

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Сообщение от Sergei Ivanovich (Сообщение 1121202)
figurine depicts Teyya ("Tay" - "Snow sheytan", or "snow chlovek", was considered a side branch of the legendary ancestor of the Tibetan people - "the king of the monkeys").
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This stone statue of a more archaic, and with marked mongoloid facial features department (analog may serve on the famous stele Orhonte with mongoloid face VII-VIII cc.). The manner of transfer of wool on this stone statue, and posture - like terracotta Khotan.

Did you this in Sochi say? So how did they explain this?
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Сообщение от Sergei Ivanovich (Сообщение 1118402)
was found at a depth of 7.5 meters, with the digging of wells, on the Black Sea p.Lazarevskoe.

How could she be there? There, that were previously Tibetan statues VII-VIII centuries. " Otherwise you just might well be put forward any hypothesis, at least that this statuette, for example, depicts the alien, and even make them ...:)

Сергей Иванович 26.05.2010 17:39

Ancient Statue
 
Not necessarily this figurine is Tibetan. It's just a suggestion from Professor of Archaeology SpbGU.Ya just decided to share the information obtained. In those times, many peoples were nomadic life .... it could leave the Greeks, Turkic tribes, etc. This summer I'll be in Sochi, and consult the museum staff. Then podelyus.Statuetku my grandfather found when digging a well, unfortunately now there are other people.

artman 26.05.2010 19:30

Вложений: 1
Here is something similar to the excavation of Baku, so that it may be that your figure belongs to the Turkic peoples

SergeiSK 26.05.2010 21:25

On the territory of Lazarevsky district of Sochi in ancient times lived in different tribes. Ubykh people, Shapsyghs, Circassians, Circassians. Lived, lived until the General Lazarev not annexed these territories to the Russian Empire. That's why the village is Lazarevskoe. But in my opinion statue does not belong to these tribes. This is most likely the earlier Scythian-Sarmatian period. On the grounds of the city often find dishes, household items, figurines, ornaments of this period. My own are ten different pitchers of this era, as well as arrowheads and spears found during excavations near Sochi. Also under Lazarevskiy are several places of worship - dolmens, so that in ancient times in the Black Sea civilization was in motion :)
I think that your sculpture does not apply to Tibet. This is most likely Scythian-Sarmatian product.

Pecheneg 27.05.2010 00:16

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 1122472)
Most likely it Scythian-Sarmatian product.

By the Scythian-Sarmatian period, the monkey has absolutely nothing to do .. First of all, because the Scythians were not inherent in the image of monkeys .. favorite animals are lions, panthers, deer, boars, dogs and pets .. especially horses. Which is richly decorated cups, vases or decorative plates for clothes. And most importantly, the Scythians never perfect the art of masonry was not possessed, just look at the stone images ... all cut roughly and fairly primitive .... Constantly communicating with their neighbors, the Greek colonists from the Black Sea, and seeing the Greek sculpture, they remained apathetic to the beautiful ...
APE-animal eastern horoscope, promotes long life, the protector of roads, horses and children. Often portrayed with persimmon fruit or with his calf. Another name - Sanno Gong. Most likely the statuette came to the Crimea with Chinese merchants, or soldiers in the Middle Ages, after the conquest of Ancient Rus Mongols ... For horde was a multinational ...
And maybe even later time ...


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