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Konstantin 30.05.2008 17:18

How to invest $ 100 000
 
I propose to discuss options for the acquisition of a batch of 100 000 $.
Under the package, I mean several paintings of several artists.
I think that it is less risky option than a few pictures of one.
For example, at the same Salon in Manege is Cooper, great work on
60 000-80 000 Euros. Small for 6000-8000 Euro.
It is a candidate for something to enter into such a package.

Vladimir 01.06.2008 22:28

Konstantin, I understand that the problem is put cynically, investment advice such as buying the best of the fact that like most and the best of what the advanced understanding, are not suitable.
And the amount of complex, intermediate - neither there nor here. Like 35 thousand dollars to buy a car. That is a car class D (conditionally Honda Accord) is a bit lacking, but for P, that is, Honda Civic, too much and unwise to spend so much money.
Tends to the fact that with such a sum, little more is better, IMHO is to aim at things only high quality but affordable period. It is clear that once again slipping into understandable shestidestyatnikam (which you are not alien, as soon resulted in Cooper's example). That is, not smaller, not wasted in a "portfolio" of several works, and buy one, maximum of two paintings, but the best quality. Buy a dozen sheets do not graphic, but a good oil. This does not exclude that successfully worked with dozens of sheets of graphics you can earn more money. But the only labor required is several times more than the management of a "portfolio" on pristraivanie works. This can make a gallery owner, but not the person in charge of these investments in their spare time. With one or two paintings will be easier to cope. And despite inflation should not make a purchase in a hurry.
So, if you take things with a high investment potential (successful paintings Securities periods), then this is what can be bought for 100 thousand dollars:
1) 0,6 paintings Dmitry Krasnopevtsev
2) 1-1,5 paintings Oleg Tselkov
3) 1,5-2 paintings Vladimir Nemukhin
4) 1,5 paintings Dmitry Plavinsky
5) 1-1,5 work of Vladimir Yankylevsky
6) 1,3 paintings Eugenia Rukhin
7) 2 different oils Vladimir Yakovlev
8) 2.5 by Natalia Nesterova
and so on ...
that is, if the dream in a cynical vein, then, for example, buy a cool Yankylevsky, with the balance to finish graphics of different artists. But if by hand you can buy two good oil Yankylevsky, or add Krasnopevtsev and buy a good, better, probably, to do so. Well, more accurately, I think so.

And we need to understand that bringing the whole "math" contains a lot of conventions. Collector in the theme of work and buy a better and more profitable than an outsider. And a lot of time can take. Hurry - people laugh, but inflation, no one has repealed. A search of good works may be delayed, it's not fast, good things in the supermarket in a row does not stand by hand appear.

Konstantin 02.06.2008 16:11

Thank you, Vladimir, for a detailed and interesting answer.

What you say - it is reasonable. But is there any hope for additional income?
It is now Krasnopevtsev 200 000-300 000 $ Or Tselkov 150 000 $.
There is a possibility that the double? Although I write and think to myself - yes there is.
But over 100 000 did not buy.
And, for example, Tabenkin and Slepysheva - can. And can not one, so the second will work.
These are the "packages" suggest poobsuzhdat.

Vladimir 02.06.2008 17:59

Those of "other art", which are now worth 100 thousand will be worth a million
 
Konstantin, if not proizodet disasters, the best of the sixties, which today can still be bought for 100 thousand in the next 2-2,5 years have a chance to reach a million. IMHO. And if oil reaches $ 200 per barrel (and such predictions give very serious agency), if not before. There, in a million, posoprotivlyayutsya and move on. For slepysheva and Tabenkin these rates seem to me much less likely - they are not so tightly involved in the information environment. The second series of artists more risky investment, but also because more potential profit. I think that very soon there will be another problem - a very strong deficit in the Sixties in general, which will be the basis for undue inflation of prices.

Евгений 07.06.2008 05:29

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 5496)
I think that very soon there will be another problem - a very strong deficit in the Sixties in general, which will be the basis for undue inflation of prices.

This is the main problem and it already exists ... "0,6 paintings Dmitry Krasnopevtsev" ... surely noticed ...
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Personally, my opinion is a good investment: the first Stalinist academics (but only the period 1930-1950gg) .. there efficiency gains of about 1:10-20.

Konstantin 05.08.2010 15:42

Вложений: 1
Interestingly and unexpectedly.
He began to view our old discussion and attempts to forecast and came across your question on Cooper.
Here's how to really evolving situation.
See the schedule of prices. Green overall price index for Russian art, red schedule changes price index for Cooper.
If you translate from mathematical into Russian - the price of Cooper fell.
At the same statistics normal nine deals in 2010, 8 transactions in 2009.

Why? Original, great artist. Spectacular pictures. Who has any ideas.

Vladimir 05.08.2010 16:37


Wladzislaw 05.08.2010 16:46

Sculptures, and prints of Dali.
46 seats in the world ranking artists
http://www.artfacts.net/en/artist/sa...9/profile.html


sculpture:
circulation of 300-400 copies.
20-25 cm - 10.8 thousand USD;
30-35 cm - 15.12.1910 thousand USD.
40-50 cm - 12-15 thousand USD.

edition of 100 copies.
40-50 cm - 15-30 thousand USD.

Estamp:
lithographs and colored engraving
circulation of 150-350 copies. - 1,5-3 thousand USD.

===
As a curious application.

Notes the blog man, apparently working in the gallery of personal investment information from private sales statistics a Dali sculpture.
http://robinrile.com/blog/?p=263

His own article about the potential growth of Dali as an example the sale gouache (there is an obvious interest in the market for the artist):
http://robinrile.com/blog/?p=261

===========================

Added after 2 hours 55 minutes

Attachments.

Purchase:
7-10 sculptures;
15-20 lithographs /color prints.


The exhibition and sale.

Sculpture Exhibition is very well combined with an exhibition of prints, compliment each other, and objects do not pull attention.

Dali Exhibition in Russia are rare, even for Moscow and St. Petersburg. If you hold it in the regional center - will be much attention. Press will be enough to actively disseminate their own information.

Correct PR. Use Local FM, regional press, local TV, own business and social connections. Disseminate information is also closest to the major cities. Eg. If holding an exhibition in Yaroslavl, something about it should know and in Kaluga, and Rybinsk. Clearly, in Rybinsk can 10 people wealthy, but they need to know about the exhibition. Clearly, not everyone buys the sculpture for 30 thousand, but to buy Dali lithograph of 3000 may just sound financial standing on his feet man.

Can a local TV lift short film 07/10/1915 minutes with raskazom about the artist and with emphasis on work that will be at the show.

Prepare and publish a color exhibition catalog with high quality images and printing and detailed information about the work.

To publish a free booklet with basic information about the artist, and especially about the work, to explain the lottery, the casting and lithographic studio to explain the difference between the signatures on the prints, so there was no stupid comments (try to sign 250 times, and then another 250 or more :)).

Prepare a showroom and work. From painting the walls, windows, lighting - paint the walls a neutral dark color, for example. dark blue; curtain off okra, so do not fall into the sun on the plate, shalt make an exhibition in the white mat and black frame to design does not detract from the work itself, produce sustainable cabinets under the sculpture, paint them black without any gloss varnish, to make boxes made of transparent plastic sculptures.

Partial return on investment, profit.

Sale of works will return the money.

The property will remain unsold work.

Subtracting the money for sold work from the amounts spent and the remaining sections of their work - you get a very nice price for what you have left a <!--~ ~-->.

The work may also still be sold after the exhibition.

You get a serious PR own among businessmen and officials of higher regional level.

Not bad to give a lithograph for the local art museum. Also at the opening to hold an auction lithography, so that winners of transferred money to charity.

Peter 05.08.2010 20:48

Thanks Vlad! Beautifully, logically! Unemployment for art dealers!

artcol 05.08.2010 21:33

Цитата:

Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 1219012)
sculptures, and prints of Dali.
46 seats in the world ranking artists
http://www.artfacts.net/en/artist/sa...9/profile.html


sculpture:
circulation of 300-400 copies.
20-25 cm - 10.8 thousand USD;
30-35 cm - 15.12.1910 thousand USD.
40-50 cm - 12-15 thousand USD.

edition of 100 copies.
40-50 cm - 15-30 thousand USD.

Estamp:
lithographs and colored engraving
circulation of 150-350 copies. - 1,5-3 thousand USD.

===
As a curious application.

Notes the blog man, apparently working in the gallery of personal investment information from private sales statistics a Dali sculpture.
http://robinrile.com/blog/?p=263

His own article about the potential growth of Dali as an example the sale gouache (there is an obvious interest in the market for the artist):
http://robinrile.com/blog/?p=261

===========================

Added after 2 hours 55 minutes

Attachments.

Purchase:
7-10 sculptures;
15-20 lithographs /color prints.


The exhibition and sale.

Sculpture Exhibition is very well combined with an exhibition of prints, compliment each other, and objects do not pull attention.

Dali Exhibition in Russia are rare, even for Moscow and St. Petersburg. If you hold it in the regional center - will be much attention. Press will be sufficient to actively disseminate their own information.

Correct PR. Use Local FM, regional press, local TV, own business and social connections. Disseminate information is also closest to the major cities. Eg. If holding an exhibition in Yaroslavl, something about it should know and in Kaluga, and Rybinsk. Clearly, in Rybinsk can 10 people wealthy, but they need to know about the exhibition. Clearly, not everyone buys the sculpture for 30 thousand, but to buy Dali lithograph of 3000 may just sound financial standing on his feet man.

Can a local TV lift short film 07/10/1915 minutes with raskazom about the artist and with emphasis on work that will be at the show.

Prepare and publish a color exhibition catalog with high quality images and printing and detailed information about the work.

To publish a free booklet with basic information about the artist, and especially about the work, to explain the lottery, the casting and lithographic studio to explain the difference between the signatures on the prints, so there was no stupid comments (try to sign 250 times, and then another 250 or more :)).

Prepare a showroom and work. From painting the walls, windows, lighting - paint the walls a neutral dark color, for example. dark blue; curtain off okra, so do not fall into the sun on the plate, shalt make an exhibition in the white mat and black frame to design does not detract from the work itself, produce sustainable cabinets under the sculpture, paint them black without any gloss varnish, to make boxes made of transparent plastic sculptures.

Partial return on investment, profit.

Sale of works will return the money.

In the property remain unsold work.

Subtracting the money for sold work from the amounts spent and the remaining sections of their work - you get a very nice price for what you have left a <!--~ ~-->.

The work may also still be sold after the exhibition.

You get a serious PR own among businessmen and officials of higher regional level.

Not bad to give a lithograph for the local art museum. Also at the opening to hold an auction lithography, so that winners of transferred money to charity.

A. Shadrin, apparently according to this scheme works.


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