When the Russian art market will become civilized?
 

How do you think? When?
I was quite a long time tormented by the same question: should strive for open sale, or sell everything from under the floor, God forbid, who whisper about what a bad picture? This is absurd, in my opinion ...

d_atiquariato, the market is changing and quite rapidly. this is far from being the market, which was 5 years ago. And gallery owners have become more professional, and not because it's all in a black case. Some galleries draw up agreements, give guarantees on purchased items. A look at the antique salon last. Much less of fakes than ever before, attempts to create a thematic exposition. Owners of galleries happy to talk about their work. Not all at once. Russian art market, how to construct a phenomenon, not more than 10 years, the same does not happen all at once. I think in 10-15 years the Russian art market will reach the western level, although the features of Russian mentality certainly continue.

I think must be present in Russia antiques market world-class experts, insured for loss, giving guarantees, working impartially to all participants in this market. It's no secret that there were occasions when our experts were given the wrong conclusion about the authenticity of certain works, as happens when just "zaparyvali" work when it was profitable to someone ...

d_atiquariato

That if they are to be evaluated as Western art.
I am afraid that experts in our sixties and early twentieth century avant-garde is not there.

Just there!
 

There are experts in the west!
They wrote me an examination on the vanguard of the 20's, perfectly managed! Art history, with! Detailed analysis, all substantiated, issued a separate certificate!
These results from our not wait for! Issue paper, which corresponds to something, and that something, but on what grounds, do not write ...
It is all slightly more expensive than ours. However, technical and technological expertise is very expensive, about $ 2000. But, including spectral analysis (which is in Moscow and S.-Pb do not do) and comparison with samples available in the databases of the largest museums in the world.
The timing - within 10 to 15 and days.
Once you begin to understand that Russia in this regard is stuck very far behind. Queues ... Personal sympathy experts, dating, etc. play a huge role in terms of performance appraisal ...

d_atiquariato, I have many years of collecting a collection of Russian avant-garde turn of the century, and it seemed to me that I know all the experts in this field. So, in the west I was not aware of any expert who could be trusted 100%. I have seen many western certificates with arts and technological expertise, issued by the obviously fake stuff. Hopefully, in your case, everything is fine, but if you want, we can discuss your specific case. Add only that in Western museums, hanging full of false things, to attribute the first name of the Russian avant-garde.

I heard that the Museum Ludwig, chocolate king, there is a problem with the wrong vanguard. But I do not know what things are under suspicion. I wonder what?

Endorse.

qwerty, examples - in the studio! :) Name at least two or three things and museums, where they hang. Very curious. And also curious how many of the falsehoods in our museums.

agree with qwerty, can not exist in the West, experts on the Russian market, as well as on the Russian market can not exist experts on Western art. It is practically impossible things.
d_atiquariato, do not get so negative attitude towards the Russian art market. It is worthy of experts make a detailed examination of the good. Yes, they are not a lot, it is not on such a scale as in the West, but still ahead. I am confident that the Russian market in a much shorter time than we think, to reach a civilized level.

Vladimir, in the Museum Ludwig, the vast majority of Russian avant-garde exhibition, incidentally, one of the largest in the West, acquired in one place - in the gallery Gmurzhinskoy. In turn, Gmurzhinskaya, bringing a huge number of works from Russia, not always with a sophisticated understanding of authorship. That is, it's not fake, but just a great artist is often attributed to the work made by his students, or work made in that vein, other, less well-known artists. For example, the work Filonova likely belongs Sulimo-Samoylo and graphics Malevich soon made his disciples Leporskii and Suyetin. In turn, the work attributed Suetin probably made by someone else. Among other dubious works, I think of Cluny, Exter, Popova.