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Любознательный 18.04.2010 20:01

Jan van Avercamp
 
According to Artinfo.com, 06.06. 95 at Christie's auction in Rome was sold to the work of a certain Jan van Avercamp (Old Master Painting, Lot 358). From this it follows that the work has been subscribed, as it does not specify the usual data (year of establishment of the sold work, and years of birth and death of the artist).
     Online auction houses Christie's data in 1995 are no longer available. 'Net (as in the literature) there are no other mentions of Jan van Avercamp as an artist.
     It is possible that someone left a picture of this auction or directory. I'd like to see the signature, even more - to buy on its own catalog of this auction.
     Thank you in advance for any information on Jan van Avercamp.

sergejnowo 18.04.2010 21:02

google, - nothing, Artprice, - no.
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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1043312)
From this it follows that the work was a subscription

not a fact.
Analyze any auction of old masters at Sotheby's, Christie's or the Dorotheum. Catalogs and pyshut notable names. But how well-read read carefully, it appears that no more than 10-15%of the work "certainly" was signed. Another 10-15%signed, but controversial, such as the monogram of which can be attributed to a dozen artists. The remaining work are assigned and as time has shown, often attributed to is not true. Not infrequently, in catalogs errors in names, especially on lesser-known artists. The work which you are interested, was sold for around 2000 euros in Italy. It is difficult to rely on information from Italian auction 15 years ago.

Любознательный 19.04.2010 20:40

Thank you for the general arguments, however, I am interested in a particular signature and that the picture (Fuga in Egitto), sold at auction at Christie 06.06.95 at Rome.
     Moreover, I am interested in absolutely everything about an artist named Jan van Avercamp.
     And, regardless of time or the price of his paintings.
     Believe the word, it is not far from an idle question - it can not answer even the professionals.

dedulya37 19.04.2010 21:10

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1044842)
Believe the word, it is not far from an idle question - it can not answer even professionals.

It sounds ridiculous, but you spelled the name of the artist?

Amateur 19.04.2010 22:57

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Indeed, about Jan van Avercamp information anywhere in the network does not (except in the site Christie's, which has already been mentioned). This in itself is not clear. Karel van Mander about him, too, does not mention. About Jan Avercamp (without the "van" in Holland is not exactly aristocratic
attachment, but more a pointer to the place of birth) a little bit there, but somehow confusing. So on the website:
http://fr.truveo.com/video-detail/ijsvermaak/659554662
is there such a picture allegedly Jan Avercamp (see 1). But she is known worldwide as the picture Avercamp Hendrik (Hendrik Avercamp, 1585 - 1634) - see 2, as well as: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hendrick_Avercamp. Hendrick Avercamp - a very famous artist, his paintings are in many museums around the world, reproductions of his works (signed monogram, rarely full name) in the network a lot. So Jan was in the case identified with Hendrick.

The website (opens terribly slow):
http://www.archive.org/stream/pictur...iiala_djvu.txt
Google indicates the presence of phrases "Jan Avercamp", but in reality they're talking about the existence of artists Jfendrih van Avercamp and Jfendrik Avercamp. Same Hendrik? Or not? Alas, nothing more than help.

Любознательный 20.04.2010 02:40

dedulya37,
I'm not mistaken.

Added after 3 minutes
Amateur,
Thank you for such a detailed response.

Posted 10 minutes
Amateur,
For all the details of the post, should be added that in Russia, officially there is only one beautiful work of Hendrick Avercamp in GMI from Shchukin. Watercolours is at the Hermitage - introduced Peter I. Images were Boldino collection.

Кирилл Сызранский 20.04.2010 07:58

So you who need something?
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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1043312)
Jan van Avercamp

or

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1045412)
a beautiful work of Hendrick Avercamp

??

sergejnowo 20.04.2010 08:49

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 1045212)
Hendrik Avercamp, 1585 - 1634

..........

Любознательный 20.04.2010 21:47

Cyril Syzranskiy,
Glad I will find out about other pictorial works Hendrick Avercamp located in Russia. Vaguely location of Henrik acquired (in the words of Michael Perchenko) his friend.
By the way, to my knowledge, the work Barent Avercamp in Russia are not available.
It is possible that my information outdated.

U_Z 21.04.2010 01:00

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1046742)
vaguely location of , Henrik, acquired (in the words of Michael Perchenko) his friend.
By the way, to my knowledge, the work of Barent Avercamp in Russia are not available.
It is possible that my information outdated.

Detective some :confused:. I have not slept for several nights :confused::shy:. Under the name of "some Jan van Avercamp" hidden "... one of the great"? Enlighten, please.

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1044842)
Thanks for the general arguments, however, I am interested in a particular signature and it is in the picture (Fuga in Egitto), sold at auction at Christie 06.06.95 at Rome.
Moreover, I am interested in absolutely everything about an artist named Jan van Avercamp.
And, regardless of time or the price of his paintings.
Believe the word, it is not far from an idle question - it can not answer even the professionals.

Very interesting!


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