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NATA NOVA 12.02.2010 22:36

Corner linguist. Idioms, phrases, and etymology of the stable
 
Idioms peoples of different countries. Their smysl.Obschnosti and differences.
Stable phrases and their origins.
We (the government, different) scattered around the world have studied other languages and cultures, and I found it interesting to create a corner where you can share the acquired knowledge. (Who cares)

Here yesterday, for example, in an excellent translation from the French (Thanks, by the way!) Liana Roginsky in the topic "How to unleash the artist (article)" I met the expression: "on a platter with a blue kaemochkoy. I think. this author's translation of the French expression.
 Just before trying to find its origin (idiom first met in "golden calf" and widely spread in the Russian-speaking environment). Young Estonians, for example, it is not clear. And what are its equivalents in other languages?
 
Very interesting questions in the color idioms. "White Crow" (in English correspondence: "white elephant" is understandable. (Rare)
Dream of pink and blue .. (but not magenta and yellow-interesting. Why?)

Or the "klizma, for example .. Everyone knows, and descriptions can not find anywhere else
(and to explain the British comrades value klizma without mechanism "and" stick to ".- meaning: to" punish "I understand correctly?
Thank you to everyone who will be able to explain.

Причал 12.02.2010 22:56

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 911322)
Dream of pink and blue ..

Nothing about the rosy dreams do not know, never heard of this.

But the blue - yes.
My version /and this despite the fact that I do not know English /:
An idea was such
dreamboat -> Blues -> blue devils, then the arrow back, that is, from a sadly lyrical solo song of American Negorev somewhere so :D:D< ! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Peter 12.02.2010 23:23

A blue kaemochka is also from blue mechty.Ochki, yes, there are pink.

Тютчев 12.02.2010 23:23

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Сообщение от Berth (Сообщение 911352)
Nothing about the rosy dreams do not know, never heard of this.



Perhaps so:

Pink Glasses=> pink dream :D

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 911402)
A blue kaemochka is also from the blue mechty.Ochki, yes, there are pink.


Peter, I, too, about the "rose-colored glasses" thought! So, the way it is ... is experimentally confirmed! ;)

NATA NOVA 12.02.2010 23:36

And how "out of the mud-to-riches" respectively in English? (Who knows?)

Тютчев 13.02.2010 00:11

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 911422)
What about "Out of the mud-to-riches" respectively in English? (Who knows?)



from rags to riches

Сима 13.02.2010 13:08

NATA NOVA, as Severyanin Igor wrote: "The Blue Flower doomed Novalis."
Blue as the color of dreams (kaemochka on a silver platter - an ironic look at the dream, rooted in everyday life), how it seems to me - so I was taught :)- comes from the novel by the German Romantic Novalis' Heinrich von Ofterdingen. I give the link
http://www.novalis.ru/oftrerdinger.htm
From there also arrived, and "Blue Bird" Maeterlinck. And if the Estonian students do not know "saucer with kaemochkoy", then in general for their conceptual series do not worry - "Blue Dream" - a European context.

Причал 13.02.2010 13:46

All of you are wrong to say :D:D:D

Forgot tie blue color to the theme of the forum. And yet in the old days used to come, the customer to the artist, and the man: "Do you how many guilders blue krasochki put"? Blue pigment extracted from lapis lazuli (lapis lazuli, in Russia "stuffed cabbage") was the most expensive of all.

And here the problems begin investment in the arts. Here's what would we do if churchmen Van Eyku (founder of the technique of oil painting, by the way) on the azurite ordered to save.


Lapis (lapis lazuli stone) back in ancient times was considered the stone of sincerity pomyslovyu.

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Blue

Symbols of the blue comes from the obvious physical fact - a cloudless blue sky. In the mythological consciousness of the sky has always been the abode of the gods, ancestral spirits, angels, hence the principal symbol of the blue - divinity. Paired with the values - of mystery, mysticism, sacredness, nobility and purity (spirituality), consistency (in the faith, loyalty, love), perfection, high background (blue blood), justice (God's work).
Here is good on the symbolism of flowers and blue, in particular:
http://www.mironovacolor.org/theory/...r/symbolism/#4

NATA NOVA 13.02.2010 13:46

Seema, very clearly defined and thanks for the link!
From the "blue-blue" yet vspomnolos: "blue stocking" Bluebeard "and" blue nose "
(I may be confused) ..
Liana, and what the French conformance "saucer"?
Russian "worst-first" conform to Estonian: "first calf of the fence ..

Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2010 14:01

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Сообщение от Berth (Сообщение 912272)
blue pigment extracted from lapis lazuli

He did ultramarine more. No? :)


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