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Анатолий Шарий 17.12.2009 09:53

Help identify - who he is and what is it?
 
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As I understand it, lithography.

Canvas has a rear-type forged signature - "Winter nach C. Gugel" Below the signature "aug Beckers (?) Kunstverlag Munchen"

 Unfortunately, nothing could be found about this organization. Tell me, please.

The front of the painting are two (!) Signatures - one with the letters and the year 1860, the second with the letters and the year 1859. Apparently, the 1860 - year of establishment of lithography. However, the signature on the 1859 does not correspond to the signature of the artist Carl Adolf Gugel (1820, Bergtsabern - 1885, Munich)!

The second picture is the same for the execution, as a twin brother, but without a signature. It shows a woman with a child in a different interior and signature rear "Herbst nach C. Gugel", which means "Autumn Gugel. This, as I understand it, was a series of paintings, but to find any Join the Internet is impossible. Dimensions for both - see 60:70

I would be very grateful for any information - that is, and how much could it cost? Very interesting.

Анатолий Шарий 17.12.2009 10:10

forgot indicate
 
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I can not edit the theme. Forgot to specify - canvas pasted on cardboard and canvas is already behind the inscription.
That second picture:

sergejnowo 17.12.2009 12:03

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Сообщение от Anatoly Shary (Сообщение 796962)
"Herbst nach C. Gugel", which means "Autumn Gugel.

not quite so.
"nach" in this case means "free copy" or "explanations".
This explains the existence of a second signature.
Not strong on historical and technical details for these things, the second signature may be signed by the author's explanation or the author of the factory piece to print.

Кирилл Сызранский 17.12.2009 12:08

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 797292)
"nach" in this case means "free copy" or "explanations".

And it is possible and so-"in accordance with". :)

Анатолий Шарий 17.12.2009 12:50

Well, what this office is that? And how much does it cost? Information about the office is not at all, could it mean that I have enough rare instances ?:)

sergejnowo 17.12.2009 13:08

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Сообщение от Anatoly Shary (Сообщение 797442)
Well, what this office is that? And how much does it cost? Information about the office is not at all, could it mean that I have enough rare instances ?:)

Mass production of the time.
The value of the work is not high.
For fun, if your work would be original works of Carl Adolf Gugel (German, 1820-1885), in good condition, the price for the work would lie in the range 3000 - 5000 euros. I note that the amount named on the basis of prices in Europe before the crisis.

Анатолий Шарий 17.12.2009 13:18

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 797542)
Mass production of the time.
The value of the work is not high.
For fun, if your work would be original works of Carl Adolf Gugel (German, 1820-1885), in good condition, the price for the work would lie in the range 3000 - 5000 euros. I note that the amount named on the basis of prices in Europe before the crisis.

Ok. But the mass of the times 1860-xx - this is not the mass of 1960-xx. Furthermore, if this massive work - why no mention of a series on the Internet?

artman 17.12.2009 16:28

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 797292)
not quite so.
"nach" in this case means "free copy" or "explanations".
This explains the existence of a second signature.
Not strong on historical and technical details for these things, the second signature may be signed by the author's explanation or the author of the factory blanks for printing.

And it turns out that it is stamping 1860goda ?:D "Even when a living artist.

раскатов 17.12.2009 16:56

C 50-s of the XIX century, widespread receive oleographs - multicolour (15-20 colors) lithograph reproductions of works of oil painting (Latin oleum - oil), and in the broader sense - hromolitografskie prints at all. For more similarity with the product oleographs oil painting printed image lacquered and further subjected to embossing, which results in an imitation of the surface of the canvas reliefs and smears of oil painting, sometimes used even tint brush. Obtained by this method of reproduction is often greatly distorted and "callous" original. The main consumer oleograph was pettiness, petty and middle bourgeoisie and wealthy peasantry.

artman 17.12.2009 19:28

So it turns out that this is a reproduction, but then are supposed to be printing on the frame and on a stretcher with the word "Reproduktion ".:)


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