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Watercolor, pencil 10-18,5. Sketch painting

I can not judge itself watercolor, signed, let it do more experienced. However, the frame leads to certain reflections. Sam Frames beautiful, old, it seems, from that time. But striking that the frame (it's not for anybody else, but for Vrubel! - And therefore made an unusually wide for a watercolor) is made quite casually - coordination of relief at the juncture of the poor, the angles of joints, drank inaccurate. Then existing masters, actually I worked much neater. And the board somehow looks like a canvas.

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 762662)

I can not judge itself watercolor, signature, let it do more experienced. However, the frame leads to certain reflections. Sam Frames beautiful, old, it seems, from that time. But striking that the frame (it's not for anybody else, but for Vrubel! - And therefore made an unusually wide for a watercolor) is made quite casually - coordination of relief at the juncture of the poor, the angles of joints, drank inaccurate. Then existing masters, actually I worked much neater. And the board somehow looks like a canvas. Contemporary design, or ...

The frame was cracked, it has repeatedly tried to strengthen casually, with joints and is now falling off the old sealant, and the old board early 20-to veka.Rabota drawn on paper and glued to nemu.Spasibo.

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 762702)

And how do you explain the asymmetry of the ornament frame and his inconsistency at the joints. Although, of course, is secondary evidence in relation to the image itself.

In the "complicated" Framed asymmetry of the ornament at the junction of the normal case.
However, there are "unwritten laws", such as experts in such a pattern is not used in the frame of a relatively small works.
Or enter /use the overhead "leaves" covering their asymmetric junction.
I really like the pattern of the frame itself is symmetrical pattern - the alternation: two "ax" + a "spearhead"
However, the one who made the frame did not take care of the symmetry is not in one of the four sides.
Or savings, or both must .:)
To work, this philosophy has no direct relationship.

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 762762)

And how do you explain the asymmetry of the ornament frame and his inconsistency at the joints. Although, of course, is secondary evidence in relation to the image itself.

For sure the frame is old baguette cut which, as now collected in the frame, is the coincidence of the ornament nobody zabotitsya.Na joints was putty which crumbled. My opinion is that when the sticks with a pattern to the cardboard, then assembled the frame, ie early 20 th century and of course not personally Vrubel.

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 762812)

For sure the frame is an old baguette.

With this kind of all agree.

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 762812)

who were cut, as now

But it is not. Then the wizard (even carpenters, even the manufacturers of bricks) valued his good name and create things on which he was not ashamed to subscribe, and not simply "cut grandmother. Do not compare the then and present self-esteem bagetchikov when

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 762812)

now on the coincidence of the ornament nobody cares.

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 762802)

I really like the pattern of the frame itself is symmetrical pattern - the alternation: two "ax" + a "spearhead"
However, the one who made the frame did not take care of the symmetry is not in one of the four sides.

Nobody wrote about the asymmetrical pattern of the ornament. I just pointed out that the ornament was skewed by the assembly of the frame. That is, are facing each other of the frame is not mirrored in each of the four parts are not observed symmetry, which is inherent in the figure of the ornament. So I said the same thing, but in other words ...

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Сообщение от yak (Сообщение 762812)

For certain frame is old baguette cut which, as now collected in the frame, is the coincidence of the ornament nobody zabotitsya.Na joints was putty which crumbled. My opinion is that when the sticks with a pattern to the cardboard, then and assembled the frame, ie, in the early 20 th century and of course not personally VRUBEL.

When such a scale failure at the joints are very conspicuous and can not be considered a professional decision. Now, yes, and perhaps then things differently, but this did not prove that it is correct.

But all this does not matter ... the tenth frame work ... Who knows whom, and under what circumstances had to make just such a frame. Although the course during the life of an artist of his work was valued ... And as it is difficult to imagine that for Vrubel frame made of scraps ... It is difficult, but nonetheless, it is possible ... The main thing after all the image itself!

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Сообщение от yaks, 762,811

... and of course not personally VRUBEL.

Personally VRUBEL? Why do you think that I have a vivid imagination?

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 762862)

No one wrote about the asymmetrical pattern of the ornament. I just pointed out that the ornament was skewed by the assembly of the frame. That is, are facing each other of the frame is not mirrored in each of the four parts are not observed symmetry, which is inherent in the figure of the ornament. So I said the same thing, but in other words ...

When such a scale failure at the joints are very conspicuous and can not be considered a professional decision. Now, yes, and perhaps then things differently, but this did not prove that it is correct.

But all this does not matter ... the tenth frame work ... Who knows whom, and under what circumstances had to make just such a frame. Although the course during the life of an artist of his work was valued ... And as it is difficult to imagine that for Vrubel frame made of scraps ... It is difficult, but nonetheless, it is possible ... The main thing after all the image itself!

Personally VRUBEL? Why do you think that I have a vivid imagination?!

I did not mean eto.Dumayu that during his lifetime, this figure was leaf in any part of the album artist, and only then was priklein on this board and inserted into the frame of a man is not known how to relate to the artist

yak, looked once more work Vrubel (I have a 4-D different editions) and not yet found anything similar, unfortunately. You are someone of the experts testified this work?

Signed by the way, is also not very much and looks like a reference signature Vrubel.

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Here's another 5-SW prolistnul booklet, but also nothing like ...