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Very often occur in interesting îôôòîï interesting topics and did not want to confuse them or to leave "for later" ...
I propose to create a place where you can throw all sorts of ramifications, arguments and answers to questions are not unrelated to the main topic ..


Offtop from the past:
 Jesus was born into a poor family. (It was my opinion)
YB. Tiutchev argued that it was (according to time), an analogue of "middle class"-in contemporary language ..
That chance, I found confirmation of my predpolozhnniyu that the family was not rich: After the birth of the Son she was to bring
"ilidvuh two turtle doves"-zhertru, which at that time brought the poor people (Luki2: 24; Levit12: 8) ..

And the expression of Jesus: "The foxes have holes, and in the birds-a place to sleep, and son of man has nowhere to lay his head" (Luke 9:57,58)
Does not that chtou he did not have a home? (In other words, homeless, homeless man ", according to the modern?)
Explain who know ...

In middle-class family-his father was a carpenter, but a noble ancient family, in the Bible lists a whole family of Jesus, beginning with the first man Adam. At birth, the wise men from the east brought him gifts of gold, myrrh, gifts of the king's wise men knew and worshiped him as a king.

Jesus as an adult was not in the same place and moved preaching, denouncing and performing miracles. His home he was not in the usual sense (human), many including the noble people were happy to give him a night. But if I may say so circle of friends of Jesus were simple people, fishermen, etc. just simple people believed him. It was very expensive, woven clothes, after the crucifixion the soldiers guards cast lots which of them it will get.

Thank you, San! And what about the pigeons?

In the Bible, more detail of course. Another who did not hurt either his honor :) By the way FM Dostoevsky (which have recently mentioned in one of the topics) owes much to him. Being in prison he was thoroughly acquainted with this book that changed his and his best works certainly connected with it.

And what about all the same to be done with the pigeons?

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another question: anyone else ordered from abroad in Ukraine large, round canvas?
I saw in Kyiv kontemporari .. or is it on plywood?

So I say: it just says that Mary was (after the birth of Jesus) sacrifice of two turtle doves or two (this was the norm for the poor) "middle class" has already sacrificed sheep (probably) or the bulls?

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Message from Cyril Syzransky
I drink coffee. So? It is not natural?
It is a different taste (and from it could be pimples, some)