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uriart 04.11.2009 09:20

Forecasts
 
Make predictions, a thankless job!
Can undermine its reputation.
Here's a recent performance projections and sales results.

Goncharova N. 37 Lot forecast sales of 400 000 806 500
Baranov-Rossine 400 000 482 500
El Lissitzky 30 000 unsold
Goncharova number 28 35 000 62 500
Exter 34lot 120 000 is not sold
Kuznetsov 38lot 300 000 362 500
Grigoriev 22 Lot 400 000 986 500
Falk, 43 Lot 150 000 230 000
  Manevich 50 130 000 278 500
Korovin 20 Lot 650 000 1 178 500
Kharlamov 17 lot 150 000 unsold

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Кирилл Сызранский 04.11.2009 10:48

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uriart: Here's a recent performance and forecasts sales results.
And whose forecasts something?

uriart 04.11.2009 11:00

Projections from Artinvestment

Кирилл Сызранский 04.11.2009 11:10

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uriart: Projections from Artinvestment
I like their forecasts. In good pessimistic, however, in my opinion, and should be forecasts of care.
Get ready for the worst, hope for the best. (from): D

Sandro 04.11.2009 15:06

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 677914)
Here's a recent performance forecasts and sales results.

Thank you, uriart, in that I never watch "forecasts "......

qwerty 04.11.2009 15:34

In my opinion "predicted" prices were listed quite adequately - it is at such prices similar works were sold a year ago. Who could have expected 800 thousand for Goncharova (two years ago there were several sales at 200), almost a million for a small gouache Grigorieva (you may recall that the Russian schedule was sold for similar money?) Or 278 thousand for Manevich (at the last Antique Salon Elysium selling a similar thing in half and, in my opinion, not sold)?? So it is not in the skill of forecasts, but, apparently, is that people, young fish recovered from the crisis, rushed to the exploits.

Meister 05.11.2009 10:18

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Сообщение от Sandro (Сообщение 678854)
in this, I never watch "projections "......

Sandro, you are an experienced man, but for beginners or those who are poorly versed in prices, it is very important and even useful. Forecasts help to understand how to correctly said qwerty, an adequate level of prices. Absolutely not the fact that someone who bought a million gouache Grigorieva, will be able to sell it back for the same money. Yes, the results prohibitive, but it's not statistics. Forecasts - a necessary thing, though, and thankless.

ранжер 05.11.2009 11:30

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Сообщение от qwerty (Сообщение 678964)
In my opinion "predicted" prices were listed quite adequately - it is at such prices similar works were sold a year ago. Who could have expected 800 thousand for Goncharova (two years ago there were several sales at 200), almost a million for a small gouache Grigorieva (you may recall that the Russian schedule was sold for similar money?) Or 278 thousand for Manevich (at the last Antique Salon Elysium selling a similar thing in half and, in my opinion, not sold)?? So it is not in the skill of forecasts, but, apparently, is that people, young fish recovered from the crisis, rushed to the exploits.

How observant and subtly noticed! Just like on the topic of weather forecast in the provincial newspapers. They're shaped so. If today the drizzle outside the window, the forecast for tomorrow - rain, if the bucket - is the sun. That's a real weather, and everything else - solid guessing! But the result is the same.

ранжер 05.11.2009 11:32

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 677914)
to make predictions, thankless job!
Can undermine its reputation.

Undermined?

fross 15.01.2010 00:12

It was interesting to read the article Lobanov-Rostovsky 2002 "Our Heritage" № 62:
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Sadly it is conscious, but paintings by Russian artists is not likely to be sold at prices comparable to the value of the paintings of Western artists of a similar level of fame and skill. The fact that the price is formed in demand - an axiom, and the western buyer, when temporary mode is, it prefers to acquire (at equal price and quality) of the product, say, Fernand Leger, and not Ivan Kliun. Only a significant reduction in the price of Russian avant-garde give hope to expand the circle of buyers. It is not difficult, for example, notice that the paintings of Russian artists worth over 150 thousand dollars with great difficulty finding buyers at auctions.
Painting of many masters of Russian avant-garde, such as Popova, Rodchenko, Rozanova, Stepanova, Exter, generally poorly sold at auction (this applies even more to the circle of students Malevich, ie, Cluny, Kogan, Suetin and Chashniky). Reducing demand among art dealers due to narrowing of the range of potential buyers, which are collectors and museums. Unfortunately, the "recovery" of the auction market, which began in 1992-1993, while not appreciably affected the situation with the Russian "left" painting, the price of which in 1989 fell by at least 40%. But the saddest thing that dropped the demand. International buyers have disappeared, and, most significantly, - the Japanese buyers. Apparently, they came to the conclusion that the Russian avant-garde was a bad investment. For this picture, bought at peak prices, sales are not even for half the price paid in the late 80-ies.
And why, for example, was sold to a large painting Exter, estimated by Christie's at 250-350 thousand pounds? This work 10-ies, the museum's scale, colorful and dynamic in composition, is, of course, the money. But hunters Exter little. It may be bought for 80-100 thousand customers another level, ie not millionaires, investing in Impressionist paintings, and, so to speak, "gifted" by collectors, but have a certain financial opportunities.
Remain unsold and the work of Aristarchus Lentulova "Landscape with a bridge" (Freiburg, 1913), coming from the St. Petersburg collector L. Loitsyansky. Her score (50-70 thousand pounds) was also greatly exaggerated: Lentulov little known outside Russia, and for such a boring song on pointless things were a price more than 15-20 thousand. Another unsold painting - "Trees" Malevich's early Symbolist period (1904): it is important for understanding the evolution of the artist, but not decorative. At the initial assessment of 30-70 thousand pounds and it not one candidate that would probably otherwise under more realistic assessment of 15-30 thousand. But the characteristic of the mature Malevich canvas "peasant period was sold, as already mentioned, for half a million pounds, double the expectations. For prices, close to the fabulous, and the canvases were sold Chagall 10-ies and two of his later paintings, oval track "A. Labas (1921), the work of Larionov, Filonov, Serge Polyakov. From all this we can conclude that today, with funds still possible to collect a large collection of Russian "left" art 1910-1920-ies.
And. High prices in the late 1980's and early 1990's have flooded the already complex, small and politicized market vanguard of a huge number of fakes, thus undermining confidence in the traditional buyers. As a result, the Russian market, which in all circumstances must be preserved, used the main weapon - "the price down" and "unconditional authenticity of works.
This absolutely necessary market correction deselected a certain extent, fakes, but restoring the confidence of the buyer - a more complicated and time-consuming. Time will - see, as they say. And yet any signs of a second wind there, but market conditions have changed the game.
But an analysis on the basis of which he made this prediction was correct, but an unforeseen circumstance in the form of extreme growth in oil prices has changed everything.
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