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veronika 22.09.2009 15:25
Attribution cross
 
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I have a cross, measuring 15 by 11 cm, wood, bone. Show you can be who has any information about him? What product and how it is interesting for the collection?

Мимопроходил 22.09.2009 17:26
Not orient - presented at the third photo shows the plate on the same applies to the cross? Where is?

veronika 23.09.2009 13:48
Cross was in his native wooden box on top of that, and if a given label.

Мимопроходил 23.09.2009 21:09
Cross amusing - especially the inscription "Sinop". The case of Russia's history of contact with this geographical point was in 1855, ie 60 years after the death of the last of our "Her Imperial Majesty, if the box is really from the cross (let photo, plz). Strangely, however, many ask? In lichku OWL.

Amateur 23.09.2009 21:48
The title "Her Majesty" and wore a spouse of the reigning emperor and the empress dowager. Battle of Sinop happened in November 1853, then this title was of Nicholas I's wife Alexandra. Font inscriptions seem to be consistent. Yes, the inscription "Sinop" interesting. At that time in Sinop was no Orthodox churches or monasteries. I do not whether this cross is made from wood from the ship, took part in the Battle of Sinop and flooding later in Sevastopol to block the Anglo-French fleet?

Allena 24.09.2009 13:12
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Yes, the inscription "Sinop" interesting. At that time in Sinop was no Orthodox churches or monasteries. I do not whether this cross is made from wood from the ship, took part in the Battle of Sinop and flooding later in Sevastopol to block the Anglo-French fleet?
Thank you, Amateur. Something like that just occurred to me. Suppose that the cross could not be the only, perhaps, the series was made for rewarding participants Battle of Sinop - but rewarding some informal, nepompeznogo ...?
It seems to me that the wood material of the cross, is of great importance.
And another assumption: too concise and rigorous form of the cross, too, obviously, has its value. Perhaps this is due to the fact that not awarded to the highest rank or observed some very noble achievements?
In any case, it is obvious that this is not just a cross, a memorial sign.

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That's what I found:
Premium crosses Russia Empire.
     This list contains all gratuities crosses Russia Empire. In parentheses are the periods in which awards were made.
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- Cross for service and bravery. Ochakov taken in December 1788. " (1789g.) - about 1,000 pieces.
   
   - Cross the abolition of courage. "Ismail was taken in December. 11 1790." (1791g.) - about 900 pieces.
   
   - Cross Over work and courage. Prague was taken in October. 24 1794g. " (1794g.) - about 700 pieces.
   
   - Cross Over work and courage. The victory of Eylau on January 27. 1807. " (1807g.) - about 900 pieces.
   
   - The decorations (1807-1856gg.) - About 65,150 units.
   
   - Cross Distinguished bravery. With the capture of storm Bazardzhika 22 May 1810. " (1810g.) - about 1,000 pieces.
   
   - Pectoral cross "In memory of the war of 1812." (1814g.) - about 40,000 units.
   
   - Cross "Virtuti Militari" ( "For Military Valor") (1831g.):
   - First degree - 11 pcs.
   - Second degree - 65 pcs.
   - Third degree - about 1,500 pieces.
   - Fourth degree - about 8,000 pieces.
   - The fifth degree - about 150,000 pieces.
   
   - Pectoral cross "In Memory of War, 1853-56gg." (1856g.) - about 40,000 units.
   
   - Award militia cross for the Crimean War 1853-56gg. (1856g.) - about 70,000 units.
   
   - George Cross (1856-1917gg.):
   - First degree - about 5,000 pieces.
   - Second degree - about 70,000 units.
   - Third degree - about 360,000 pieces.
   - Fourth degree - more than 1,366,000 pcs.
   
   - Cross for service in the Caucasus "(1864g.):
   - First degree - about 100 pieces.
   - Second degree - about 4,500 pieces.
   - Third degree - about 120,000 pieces.
   - Fourth degree - about 50,000 units.
   
   - Cross Remember the defense of Sevastopol 1854-56gg. " (1890) - about 10,000 units.
   
   - Award militia Cross 1905 (1906g.) - about 40,000 units.
   
   - Pectoral cross "In Memory of 1904" (1906g.) - about 25,000 units.
   
   - Cross "in memory of 300 years of the reign of the Romanov dynasty 1613-1913gg." (1913g.) - more than 350,000 units.
   
   - Cross for their efforts in agriculture "(1913-1917gg.):
   - First degree - about 50 pieces.
   - Second degree - about 300 pieces.
   
   - Cross Over Port Arthur. 1904. " (1914g.):
   - Silver - about 1,500 pieces.
   - Bronze - about 9,000 pieces.
   
   
    Notes:
   - Crosses:''For Ochakov'',''For''Ishmael,''For Eylau,''''For Bazardzhik'', George Cross and the decorations were worn on the St. George's ribbons.
   - Cross Over''Prague''was worn on Alexander tape.
   - Crosses:''In Sevastopol'',''300 years of the Romanov dynasty,''as well as the pectoral cross:''In memory of 1812.''''In Memory 1853-56gg .'','' In memory of 1904 .''floated Vladimirsky tapes.
   - Crosses''Virtuti Militari''- on the tape of the Polish Military Order (black, blue and black).
   - Cross''for their efforts in farming''was worn on a ribbon of green with black stripes on the edges ..
   - Crosses:''For service in the Caucasus,''''In the Port Arthur''and the militia crosses tapes were not.
   - Extremely officer crosses:''For Ochakov'',''For''Ishmael,''''In Prague,''For Eylau,''''For Bazardzhik''.
   - Crosses only for the lower ranks: the decorations, St. George's Cross.
   - Crosses only for priests:''In memory of 1812.''''In Memory 1853-56gg.''''In memory of 1904.''''300 years of Romanov dynasty''.
   - The decorations - was issued as a bow, and without it. Statistics shows the total.
   - Cross''300 years of the Romanov dynasty''was divided on the quality and metal production in four varieties. Was issued - respectively, according to church rank. Statistics shows the total.
   - There are two varieties cross 1905goda''militia''- land and sea. Statistics shows the total.
 
Source: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/g/girchenko_jurij/n2.shtml

About Sinop as such does not say anything, therefore, did not cross all the awards, but unofficial, memorable, not for nothing that his Office of Her IV handed.

Allena 25.09.2009 13:22
And can not this be a memorable sign of the cross, dedicated disabled Battle of Sinop, which was handed over to somewhere in the hospital?

veronika, is a family heirloom or accidental acquisition?

Amateur 25.09.2009 17:01
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But can not this be a memorable sign of the cross, dedicated disabled Battle of Sinop, which was handed over to somewhere in the hospital?
In this case, the cross would be very rare, because, thanks to a martial art PS Nakhimova Russian losses in this battle were very small in comparison with the scale and the results of the battle: 37 killed and 233 wounded. The Turks have lost almost the entire fleet, more than 3000 people. killed and wounded, and 200 people. prisoners, among them Admiral Osman Pasha.

U-niks 25.09.2009 21:04
Another possible "footprint" - in the history of the Russian Navy are several ships named "Sinop" (battleship, battleship, minelaying boat, etc.). Perhaps the cross was used, for example, when the ship worship?
And some strange thing - not Google or Yandex know the expression "Office of Her Imperial Majesty" (with the exception of the Office of the Empress Maria, wife of Paul I).

K-Maler 25.09.2009 22:39
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But can not this be a memorable sign of the cross, dedicated disabled Battle of Sinop, which was handed over to somewhere in the hospital?
Likely. It could be made of wood wreck ... So did the "Aurora", for example, kept the icon, the salary which was made of boards the ship deck, who died at Tsushima ... (I do not really remember exactly the circumstances). As for "Office", that person often patronized by the royal family any regiment is particularly recorded, and manifested a variety or encouraging or censure or even once ... Funds were disbursed, and so on, respectively, was the office ...


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