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Amateur 13.09.2009 19:07

NA Sheluto?
 
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Dear forum users!
There is now such a sketch. Oil on cardboard, 21x29 cm no signature on the reverse side there is the inscription: "Dniester in 1928. Preservation board corresponds to the date. Is there a chance that it could be student work Sheluto Nikolai Andreyevich (1906 - 1984)? I think that brushwork reminiscent of his style, handwriting, which is written the word "Dniester" - also like his handwriting. And such a plot it has. What are your views?

Amateur 14.09.2009 16:42

Dear forum users! You somehow keep complete silence ...: confused: But I know that you like among the experts is Ukrainian painting, TYuRHa, Odessa school, etc. I know that you know a lot, and know in detail. For example, what PG Volokidin in 1922 went to teach at OXY barefoot, but brought in the pockets of his jacket tubes of paints for needy students. Well, the 1928-th year Volokidin, presumably, already shod, but the paint for the students to wear - could! But NA Sheluto was one of his favorite pupils. Suddenly, it was these colors out of his pocket Volokidina and write this sketch? :)
Your continued silence would be interpreted as a sign of approval!

Tana 14.09.2009 17:14

Amateur to know the biography of the artist is one thing, but to attribute his painting, sketch is quite another, especially for photos.

14.09.2009 17:19

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 603456)
Suddenly these very colors of his pocket Volokidina and write this sketch?!

Dear Amateur! "Suddenly" with painting attribution is not.

gans 14.09.2009 17:29

Amateur, I know well the art Sheluto, but sketch that you can show someone you like (and can Sheluto), just say, for such work very hard on this question, why do you think that this Sheluto ?

Amateur 14.09.2009 19:44

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 603526)
"Suddenly" with painting of attribution is not considered.

Dear VYACHESLAV, you're right, it is, as they say, and no brainer. But there is smiley! And the phrase is used for "livening up" theme.

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 603546)
on this question, why do you think that this Sheluto?

First, only Sheluto I met the work, where all were gathered together: the plot with the same place of writing (Dnestr), Composition, and a boat of similar design.

Secondly, the manner of applying the stroke and the frequent use of the almost dry brush characteristic etudes Sheluto, especially written on cardboard (see ill. 1, "a" and "d" - with this scene, the rest - fragments of works Sheluto).
 
Third, for Sheluto characterized by the presence of places NOT in the works etyudnogo quality, not only at the edges, but in the middle of the image, and color of the ground, transmission in these regions plays a role in the composition and color scheme of work (see ill. 2 , "a" and "g" - with this scene, the rest - fragments of works Sheluto; of them "in" on a canvas). In fact, it is typical not only for one Sheluto, but for some other artists of the Odessa school.

Fourth, although, in general, smooth painting, the figure in small-sized works written Sheluto always more paste-like, literally two or three bold strokes, but it is easily recognizable (see ill. 3, "a" - with this scene, Else - fragments of works Sheluto).

Fifth, writing the letter "T" and "2" is close to such a Sheluto.

Sixth - bright clean colors, "Korovinskoe" mazochek bright red color in the center, strictly speaking, unrelated to the plot (at least, is so saturated) - is also common in Sheluto ...

Naturally, I can not pretend to conduct what is called artistic studies due to lack of education in this specialty (but research still something that I understand). All that I have mentioned here - a line of thought that led me to the idea of the possible authorship Sheluto, not more. To clarify (or reasoned refutation) of this idea and I asked at the forum. I understand that uniquely identify the authorship of the photograph is almost impossible. But I, on the one hand, I want to find out just possible authorship. On the other hand, participating in this forum, sometimes I am convinced that the parties to it and the impossible is possible.

наследник 14.09.2009 21:31

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 603816)
First of all, only Sheluto I met the work, where all were gathered together: the plot with the same place of writing (Dnestr), Composition, and a boat of similar design.

All text, as you know, is above

And that's what I want to say ... this time about the text, but not about the picture.
  Do you like the analysis and argument, as formalized opinion.
  And most importantly - all in your own words, no one from the Internet, intelligibly and clearly not only academic, but also on human position.
  I applaud the author to take my hat off ...

gans 14.09.2009 21:59

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 603816)
Of course, I can not pretend to conduct what is called artistic studies due to lack of education in this specialty (but research still something that I understand). All that I have mentioned here - a line of thought that led me to the idea of the possible authorship Sheluto, not more. To clarify (or reasoned refutation) of this idea and I asked at the forum. I understand that uniquely identify the authorship of the photograph is almost impossible. But I, on the one hand, I want to find a possible authorship. On the other hand, participating in this forum, sometimes I am convinced that the parties to it and the impossible is possible.

Not that I wanted to prove something, but here's my train of thought.
Your sketch is much closer to being 38, 48, 58 and even 68 years. And not under 28 year. In early works Sheluto, and 28 r. This is just the early period, he made chic "left" of the European level (see Figure), there is even believed that his best work, and many studies of this period, are also more likely an idea vanguard. That is, he was essentially a completely different artist, and your work, under Sheluto 28 Virtually unsuitable.

If we look at later works Sheluto, they even end 30-ies., We can certainly find some similarities, as do many other artists of this period.

Also, I must say that Sheluto was very serious "cool" by the artist, and stood out among the many already in life. To be honest, in your work that I was "cool" painting, so far, do not see.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.09.2009 22:03

gans, Steelworkers good.

gans 14.09.2009 22:28

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 604066)
gans, Steelworkers good.

  Yes, I really like.

Here's another, for comparison, from the album took several studies 26 and 28 years. (for the quality of photos I apologize).


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