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v_r 16.06.2009 00:02

Theft, fraud
 
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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 432116)
If you have saved at least some photos of the stolen works, you can place them here in a separate topic. Maybe there when.
We also have four of the "go" to an exhibition in Spain and never returned.
But sure to emerge, I'm sure.

on the advice of the distinguished dedulya37 create this theme.
Many had to deal with theft and fraud.
Stolen goods is desirable to "know the face."
I think this topic would be of interest to all forum participants.
To start lecturing two photos stolen 1991. paintings.
"Youth distant ancestors" and "Village Wedding"
Surfaced at an auction "Dorotheum" 15 November 2000.

AlexanderG 16.06.2009 07:10

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/conte...9/s2590603.htm

Nemnogo ne v temu, o poddelkah. Svezaia peredacha ot ABC.

Schitaiu, chto tema o krazah i poddelkah, iskliuchitel'no vazna.

dedulya37 16.06.2009 07:35

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 432446)
Can someone suggest a more interesting name?

Maybe so: "missing under mysterious circumstances." ?

dedulya37 16.06.2009 08:04

Missing in Spain
 
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Below are four of Stozharov VF, who drove in the exhibition in Spain.
Just make a reservation: images are what are. Do not expect anything grand. The names below the picture.
It was a troubled time adjustment and society cracking at the seams.
Nobody could answer the question where are all the same has got the whole show, although people involved in this issue, swirling in the art business so far. Obviously triggered the principle of "collective irresponsibility". And, despite the fact that the written any letters of complaint somewhere, signed any petitions, the exhibition vanished without a trace. But the hope of clarity on this issue is not leaving.
Maybe someone has to add something to this post.

gans 16.06.2009 08:50

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 432496)
It was a troubled time adjustment and society cracking at the seams.
Nobody could answer the question where are all the same has got the whole show, although people involved in this issue, swirling in the art business so far.

The overall situation, such stories are very much unfortunately.

v_r 16.06.2009 09:25

People really unsavory lot.
But the fight that can and should. Necessary to create a vacuum around the crooks and thieves.
Even if you can not find the stolen item, return it in practice is not feasible.
Remain silent, too, not worth it. From the hands of fraudsters may suffer other decent people.

Allena 16.06.2009 09:30

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Сообщение от v_r (Сообщение 432286)
surfaced at an auction "Dorotheum" November 15, 2000.

And you tried to apply to himself "Dorotheum"? They also must be the coordinates of the person who rented. And the statute of limitations on such cases, it seems, no. Or is there?

v_r 16.06.2009 09:50

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Сообщение от Allena (Сообщение 432586)
And you tried to apply to himself "Dorotheum"? They also must be the coordinates of the person who rented. And the statute of limitations on such cases, it seems, no. Or is there?

No, I'm not a lawyer.
understand perfectly well that these two and the huge number of stolen from his father in 1991. paintings changed many owners before you get to the "Dorotheum".
Sometimes I become aware that the stolen painting "float"
Again I repeat, I am not a lawyer, not criminologist, not a detective. Not for someone to chase and anger is not going to punish anyone. Not enough health and zhizni.Nemnogo later try to lay out photos and other loss. I can only be naive to rely only on the conscience and decency illegal owners.
This subject is open for exchange rather sad experience and information stolen.

dedulya37 16.06.2009 11:07

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Сообщение от v_r (Сообщение 432656)
This subject is open for exchange rather sad experience and information stolen.

Better to let the current owners know that they own stolen.
A potential future owners will also know about it.
Indeed, if you wish, you can restore the entire chain.
And illegal owners can declare an amnesty to the proof of authorship of the family.

v_r 16.06.2009 11:13

question forumcanam
 
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Another question
Maybe someone knows who these people are and what I could get to them this picture http://www.realismo.gazzerro.com/ind...&Itemid=88
link to the site http://ryasnyansky.com to me was a huge surprise.
To quote from the memoirs of Michael Ryasnyanskii 23/ХІІ. 97g.: ... I have since this picture and another, which he called "precinct" presented to the regional Department of Internal Affairs, where they are now exhibited in the museum ...


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