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gosu29 26.08.2013 10:22

The difference in the cost of collection and the items separately
 
Distinguished experts !

Need your advice on " How expensive to assemble a collection than its member items priced separately." If you tell real-life examples (or books /articles , where to read about it ) , which can be compared , I will be grateful . I know that the collection is more expensive, but I can not find any statistics on this.

We consider not only the collection of paintings .

Thanks in advance .

Кирилл Сызранский 26.08.2013 12:30

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I know that the collection is more expensive, but I can not find any statistics on this subject .

In the Western collection sell at auction subjects.
I remember only one instance when the entire collection was bought by one buyer , in September 2007 the collection of Mstislav Rostropovich and Galina Vishnevskaya ( Sotheby's experts estimated 350 lots of about 3 million pounds - then $ 6 million ) purchased prior to bidding Alisher Usmanov .

gosu29 26.08.2013 12:38

Thanks for the answer!


Is there any information (perhaps from experience or just a thought), in which cases the incentive to dispose of the whole collection?

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and is there any information about the price paid Usmanov?

Борис Кон 26.08.2013 13:02

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2730221)
In the Western collection sell at auction subjects.

Ash pepper, to sell a collection of objects is much more profitable .
Although there are cases when the collection sold , all at greatly inflated prices, it - mail , shield , sword , spear something else .. a complete set of general military hero of the Kyrgyz Republic .

Кирилл Сызранский 26.08.2013 13:25

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Сообщение от gosu29 (Сообщение 2730241)
, and there is information about the price paid Usmanov?

The contract stipulates that the parties have no right to disclose the amount of the transaction, all figures are approximate for this sale: 40 to 100 million dollars.

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Is there any information (perhaps from experience or just a thought ) , in which cases the incentive to dispose of the whole collection ?

He remembered one more sale of the whole collection : April 22, 2010 in London at Sotheby's collection of paintings by Ukrainian artists of the " Society of Independent Artists" from the collection of Yakov Abramovich Change ( 1881-1960 ) -
86 paintings were sold as one lot for 1.987 million dollars.

K-Maler 26.08.2013 13:55

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It takes your advice on "How expensive to assemble a collection than its member items priced separately." If you tell real-life examples (or books /articles, where to read about it), which can be compared, I will be grateful. I know that the collection is more expensive, but I can not find any statistics on this.

Yes collection expensive than items separately. This is an interesting question. Philosophical position in this direction - "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts," and this is a very important consideration. In any collection expressed the idea, first of all, a collector, and he, in turn, not just engaged in this, it is influenced by a kind of general situation ...
The objects themselves can be found, for example, the garbage (Romualdo Gomez) ... yet somehow unexpectedly collection may be "out of nothing" ... For a particular observation of the phenomena of culture infused into the overall experience and enrich culture, provoking comments, etc.
I somehow led to see the collection of "trinkets" of tiny shoes and other things, too tiny shoes ... more than a thousand items about people, producers, management, hobbies, fairy tales and weaknesses ... Maybe someone can give examples of unusual collections?

Of course, the collection more than the items separately.

And (note here the same) - I know one collection consisting of works by lesser-known artists of the protest period, which is generally important, but because of somersaults fate is not yet included in the area of ​​interest of investors, or other ...

gosu29 26.08.2013 14:05

Thank you for the examples and for the thoughts!

Борис Кон 26.08.2013 14:13

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2730571)
Yes , the collection is more expensive than the items individually .

 K-Maler, you're all very convincingly described, but I have to disagree with you .
Collection - are not always more expensive , even considering that it is " a whole ." Individually , the items collection, such as paintings, sell more and faster. It is difficult to argue. Another thing - the " Complete Works" , for example, there certainly will be more expensive .
I think so.
With respect to your thoughts ...

iosif 26.08.2013 14:33

In my opinion , everything is ambiguous.
1. Cleverly selected collection of more of its constituent objects , as has been expended labor and intellectual property to its collection .
2 . Sale of the collection at once - wholesale , greatly reduces the complexity and cost of its seller. And, accordingly , such an approach is the cost lower than the cost of individual items .
3 . There are low value items , but very " necessary" is in the collection.
In short , in my opinion, there is no consensus , all very dependent on the specific input .

mihailovoh 26.08.2013 14:58

gosu29,
Collection. Generally. cheaper than the items separately (unless we mean a collection of all things) mk. those who purchase an interest in certain subjects and the bulk of them will have to sell later at a loss.
As an example, the repeated sale on Sovkome private collections (up care is the same as for sbornyh.a.chto became of unsold? Pamyat.za for nothing ....) Sell most often profitable cheaper. Yet.
I have several times this experience byl.pokupal of predmetov.ostalnoe for a sold-out within 4-5 let.Pravda very pleased with the outcome and that. Ostalos.v another aspect that simply would not have got such a thing-museum-quality (at a reasonable price) .
Example Usmanov udachen.a can not be udachen.tk can guess why he pokupal.Dlya it is not very big dengi.ne more than giving to the authors and sponsors of the museums.
Boris-Con is not a collection. And "complete" it always costs more. As a complete collection sochineniy.gravyur.ofortov ..... maybe, for the missing have to overpay at times or buy a collection, and the rest is not necessary to sell.


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