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Homoludens 21.04.2013 15:35

Benoit? Bilibin? Or anyone else?
 
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Dear forum , I would like to ask for advice to experts on Russian art of the first third of the twentieth century. In my possession are a few original drawings relating to the Diaghilev's " Russian Seasons " 1910-1920 -ies and originating from the archives of one of the well-known member . They were purchased by me from the heirs of the owner ( for which of the drawings , in fact, carried out - this is the costumes ) as drawings Bilibin . But I was gnawing question : Bilibin it? I enclose a photo captions under one of the pictures . The heirs were read it as an option Bilibinsk monogram , where he wrote the Cyrillic alphabet , and B - Latin. In any case, it's the work of someone famous artists who are drawing sektakli " Russian Seasons" , if not Bilibin , then Benoit ( monogram can be read as a Latin "AB"). At the same time I send a sample of handwriting , which carried the inscription on the sketches . Maybe this will help.
I would be grateful for advice.

I-V 21.04.2013 15:41

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Сообщение от Homoludens (Сообщение 2565901)
Maybe this will help.


Homoludens, will, if you lay out the drawings themselves, the signature is not the first thing, believe me <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Homoludens 21.04.2013 15:54

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[QUOTE=IV; 2565931]Homoludens, will, if you lay out the drawings themselves, the signature is not the first thing, believe me <! - ~ 1 ~ -> [/
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I do not mind.
Go on one of the sketches - the most typical, in my opinion.

Homoludens 21.04.2013 16:29

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I'll be honest - I myself this figure strongly reminded Benoit, not only the manner of performance, but the handwriting.
Especially because, frankly speaking, from relatives Benoit happens.
I enclose, in fact, that figure, which is marked with a monogram.

Jane Doe 21.04.2013 17:12

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Сообщение от Homoludens; 2566051 "
relatives Benoit happens. I enclose , in fact, that figure , which is marked with a monogram .

Of course , the fact of origin should be considered. Interestingly, Alexander Benois , in some cases, the figures put your initials AB ( in 1907 and 1908 , 1920 ) and AB in 1909 , in 1911 .
But ... This format is not nearly printed letters. These were his classic A swirling initials .
Comparing himself to the writing of the text of this sample handwriting Benoit on his well-known works - in my opinion , they are very different.

Drawing itself , which is presented here for discussion is drawn more or less smooth , sleek lines . If you look at the pictures of Alexander Benois , one can easily notice an uneven ( trembling or nervous ) line.
And almost all of the figures Benoit its inscriptions in pencil.
In the figure, seen ink or ink.
My opinion , in spite of the fact that this figure comes from the offspring of Benoit , he did not like the picture of Alexander Benois.

Toinen 21.04.2013 18:07

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Сообщение от Jane Doe (Сообщение 2566121)
My opinion, despite the fact that this figure comes from the offspring of Benoit, he did not like the picture of Alexandre Benois.


I join the opinion of Jane Doe.
It is easy to see that not just any doodle on a piece of A4 necessarily belong A.Benois hand.

Игорь Гурьев 21.04.2013 18:12

Well, it's not quite like companion of Alexander Benois * .
Baba is somehow vryaskoryaku such Benoit never did things like that .
And the first picture - crude, simple, almost cartoonish , almost in the German style .
And from a friend Benoit always grace and ease nezhnovatost .

Plus, Benoit was always such a kind of " uncertain " line , as rightly noted above , a friend ( Janet Doe ) .

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* Not even someone at the level of the artists Benoit - Bilibin .

Homoludens 21.04.2013 20:47

Thank you for your opinion, Jane Doe, but it seems to me that in the course of our discussion, there was a substitution of concepts. We considered the watercolor sketch, whose photo I posted at the request of IV. It was about this sketch Cyril Syzransky wrote that he looks like Benoit. You are analyzing another sketch (ink, pen) and monogram underneath. But the authorship of Benoit in the case of this second picture and it did not go (I only surmised, no more). This sketch was sold as a work Bilibin - that this attribution, and I would like to confirm or refute. As for the labels in the figures, they are made in pencil.

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Сообщение от Toinen (Сообщение 2566191)
I join the opinion of Jane Doe. It is easy to see that not just any doodle on a piece of A4 necessarily belong hand A.Benois.

It is easy to see, Toinen, that your wit is not always in place. I introduced the members of the forum do not scribble, as you say, and designed theater costumes of the century, belonged to the family of Benoit. More precisely - not the sketches, and I zaintersovavshuyu signature-monogram. I would be happy to consult on the merits - and witty in vain, I myself can not.

artcol 21.04.2013 20:59

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Сообщение от Homoludens (Сообщение 2566391)
Thank you for your opinion , Jane Doe, but it seems to me that in the course of our discussion, there was a substitution of concepts. We considered the watercolor sketch, whose photo I posted at the request of IV. It was about this sketch Cyril Syzransky wrote that he looks like Benoit . You are analyzing another sketch (ink, pen ) and monogram underneath. But the authorship of Benoit in the case of this second picture and it did not go ( I only surmised , no more) . This sketch was sold as a work Bilibin - that this attribution , and I would like to confirm or refute. As for the labels in the figures , they are made in pencil .

In general , it seems that it is one and the same character and costume, and therefore the author of them - one. And it is not painted - probably the final version .

Кирилл Сызранский 21.04.2013 21:01

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Сообщение от Homoludens; 2566391 "
It was about this sketch Cyril Syzransky wrote that he looks like Benoit .

But - but - but , I wrote wrong, and here's how :
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2566021 "
at the sketch of Alexander Benois more like your picture

Comparing this figure with Bilibin . Do you understand? Of the two you mentioned , on the one ( Benois ) design more is similar .
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