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Marassa 17.04.2013 08:26

Bronze lamp, ask for help in determining the authenticity - modern, France, Meliodon
 
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Prodaetsya vot takaya lampa with atributsiey Emile Gallé et M.Meliodon.
With glass like clear that nothing is clear , I would like to deal with the bronze. Bronze signed M.Meliodon, according to vendors in such a strange way for some reason, signed Jules André Meliodon. Well, this was Jules-André Meliodon, was born in Paris in 1867 , participated in the Salon des Beaux Arts, then moved to America. All samples that I had found on the Internet, he always signed or JA Meliodon, or Jules Meliodon, but never M Meliodon.
Further more the detective : found in the annals of the internet exactly the same lamp , but without the courtesy light , sold in the same Paris auction a year ago ! Started looking : and they did not absolutely identical, note the girl's hands !
Please note, the actual question : can there be two authentic copies , but differ in the details, or someone leads someone 's nose ? How much do you authentic is this thing , dear connoisseurs of old bronze ?

uriart 17.04.2013 08:50

Marassa, I think that the lamp was not made in one piece.

Marassa 17.04.2013 08:57

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 2560421)
Marassa, I think that the lamp was not made ​​in the same instance .

It is clear, but whether instances so different from each other? I'm pretty superficial imagine technology of bronze - is it really a sculptor again makes the model for each instance ?
And then, if the lamp has been continuous , albeit small, why are both known to science instance surfaced on the same auction with an interval of one year after a hundred years?

Solovlad 17.04.2013 11:21

Good all day counterparts. It can be assumed that the form was not alone. There are differences at the base of lamps ( second with tray ) It seems that the items in time . " Lower dome shape fits well into the space object ( even if the glass is picked up ) . Subject stylish and beautiful (in my undemanding taste) . From SW.

Кирилл Сызранский 17.04.2013 11:41

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Сообщение от Marassa; 2560401 "
found in the annals of the internet exactly the same lamp , but without the courtesy light , sold in the same Paris auction a year ago !

For the year picked up /made ​​glass and put in the same place now as a full subject .
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Сообщение от Marassa; 2560401 "
started looking : but they are not absolutely identical , pay attention to the girl's hands !

And what hands?

Marassa 17.04.2013 15:37

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2560651)
For the year picked up /made ​​glass and put in the same place now as a full subject .

That was my first thought , but ...
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2560651)
And what hands ?

... note that the lamp with a lampshade on his fingers bent at the girl , and hands resting on the branches . And at last year's lamp hands and fingers are extended to the sides , like a gymnast , and do not touch the branches . Quite possible that today it sold last year picked up a lamp with glass.

Кирилл Сызранский 17.04.2013 15:46

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Сообщение от Marassa; 2560941 "
... note that the lamp with a lampshade on his fingers bent at the girl , and hands resting on the branches . And at last year's lamp hands and fingers are extended to the sides , like a gymnast , and do not touch the branches .

Well, I'm not a big-eyed - again. :rolleyes:>
And second, you can pull off with such raskursa what can and hands clenched in a fist see . :)>

Владимир Владимирович 17.04.2013 16:23

Lamps are different.
There otlichiya.Na delitansky my opinion, of course.


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