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Dilan 24.01.2013 11:57

*) Help establish authorship
 
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Dear experts !
There is an old picture, canvas /oil, 38cm. * 50 cm on the back of cardboard label - 1898. Legible signature of the author , but nothing like database updates were not. Abbreviation "Ffo" after signature - this is probably the "Frankfurt on the Oder ."
Can you help - is an author , or an amateur job?

тандем 24.01.2013 12:19

Amateur work. Second quarter of last veka.Iskat's бессмысленно.Художественная nulyu.Birka value equals to the year refers to the cardboard and not a painting.

bykinist 24.01.2013 12:35

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Сообщение от tandem (Сообщение 2438131)
Amateur work. Second quarter of last veka.Iskat бессмысленно.Художественная's value is equal to the year nulyu.Birka refers to the cardboard and not a painting.

24 +1 again.

Dilan - with your permission - quote your song "namesake" Bob Dylan (born Robert Allen at Zimmerman). The song is called: The times they are changing

Come, gather, people
No matter where you roam.
And admit that the waters
Around you up.

Agree that soon
You will get wet to the skin.
If you really want
Save time
Читать дальше... 

Then it would be time you start to swim
Otherwise sink like stones.
Because the times they are changing.

Come writers and critics
Prophesying his gift pen.
Look into my eyes,
The chance will not be presented.

And too early to say "ho"
For the wheel still spinning.
And do not point the finger,
To understand who he is.

Because the loser now
Later will be the winner,
Because the times they are changing.

Come senators, congressmen,
Please pay attention to the call.
Do not stand in the doorway,
Do not obstruct the passage!

For he who is hurt
To gain time.
Battle raging
Outside,

Soon will knock your windows
And shake your walls,
Because the times they are changing.

Come mothers and fathers
All the world,
And do not blame you,
That they themselves can not understand.

Your sons and daughters
The more you do not obey.
Your old road
Rapidly destroyed.
Please get out of the new,
If you can help.
Because the times they are changing.

Feature has been completed,
Curse imposed.
Slow now
It will soon be fast.

And now this
It will soon be past.
The old order
Rapidly.

And the first is
Later, the last.
Because the times they are changing.

P.S. Naturally, the artistic value of your image is not zero. Zero is void. A picture is, someone has conceived and executed. The main thing that it is. Another thing, what is the price of your material things? That is the question.

kr555 24.01.2013 13:46

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Сообщение от tandem, 2438131
tag with the year refers to the cardboard and not a painting.

And her year of foundation of the company.

This means that is made much later: no one will be like in 1900, boasting that the firm only 2 years.

Dilan 24.01.2013 14:03

Thank you all - and for the examination, and the songs :)>

About as expected, although it was thought - and suddenly!


P.S.
About the age - the picture came to Russia from the pre-revolutionary wave of Germans who settled here.
Gets the first quarter of the last century.

Marassa 24.01.2013 14:07

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Сообщение от Dilan (Сообщение 2438271)
picture came to Russia from the pre-revolutionary wave of Germans who settled here.
Gets the first quarter of the last century.

What is this for a wave?
Why it is silent about the story?

Dilan 24.01.2013 14:45

Because this "wave" in 1941.
deported to Kazakhstan and the Kolyma.

Marassa 24.01.2013 14:58

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Сообщение от Dilan (Сообщение 2438351)
Because this "wave" in 1941.
deported to Kazakhstan and the Kolyma.

You live - and learn.
I thought of all the ethnic Germans were deported, but it turns out - a mythical "wave" ...

Konstantin 24.01.2013 15:05

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Сообщение от Marassa (Сообщение 2438361)
thought all ethnic Germans were deported, as it turns out - a mythical "wave".

This is the flooding.

тандем 24.01.2013 15:45

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Сообщение от Dilan; 2438271"
P.S. About the age - the picture came to Russia from the pre-revolutionary wave of Germans who settled here. Gets the first quarter of the last century .

About your stories - it is completely untenable because there were no " pre-revolutionary waves of Germans who settled in our country" ...
January 1, 1874 in Russia by force of law abolishing the colonists benefits to correctional military povinnosti.Immigratsiya Germans to Russia stops. Moreover, a large number of Russian-Germans began to emigrate from Russia , not in Germany, but mainly in the U.S.. Just before 1914 in the United States from Russia moved up to 200 thousand ethnic Germans. They were one of the largest streams of pre-revolutionary Russian emigration - along with the Jews , Poles, Lithuanians, and Finns.


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