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Борис Кон 15.09.2012 00:33

Paintings and prints
 
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I ask to speak out about this now my prints.
This is a portrait of the actor in the role of Angelo Constantini Mezetin in commedia dell'arte. Downstairs poetry de La Fontaine. Engraver Cornelis Vermeulen. Date engraving 1694.
And below the author's work itself Jean Francois de Troy, on which the copy was made .
It is remarkable that, in my view, copy , this time surpassed the original.
I'm wondering your opinion on the most engraving. Its value - historical and material.

Артём 15.09.2012 09:05

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn (Сообщение 2259321)
And below the author's work itself Jean Francois de Troy, on which the copy was made.

This is how you look at who's made up.
Cornelis Vermeulen was older than Jean Francois de Troy for 35 years, and the time of death Cornelis Vermeulen, Francois de Troy was still in Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Fran%C3%A7ois_de_Troy

redbor 15.09.2012 11:38

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn (Сообщение 2259321)
date engraving 1694.

In the 1694-m, Jean Francois de Troy, the presumed author of the "original" was only 15 years old.

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Сообщение от Artem, 2259471
This is how you look at who's made up.

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Борис Кон 15.09.2012 12:53

Thank you, gentlemen.

My information here



If you have something authentic - help.

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"Thank you" - Artem and redbor, not from me.

On behalf of the staff of the British Museum.

Fed 15.09.2012 14:28

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn ; 2259591"
On behalf of the staff of the British Museum .

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn ; 2259321"
engraver Cornelis Vermeulen. Date engraving 1694 .

Are you sure that this is identical prints ?
If you omit the lack of poetry in the museum , you never know what the comparison is not the same as the picture , as I understand , and the details are not really - for example for the left foot .
See for yourself:

kr555 15.09.2012 15:38

Well, the author of the original completely different artist.

Not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_François_de_Troy (1679-1752)

A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_de_Troy (1645-1730)


And the portrait, which is in the first message comes in the guise of the original - it dates from the early 18th century, and it is obvious that this is also a copy of which Jean-Francois did with the original father.

Артём 15.09.2012 16:23

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Сообщение от kr555 (Сообщение 2259751)
that this is also a copy of which Jean-Francois did with the original father.

And where is the original?)))

Father and son painted somehow not very clear.
But most importantly, it is written in later prints.

Credit: Angelo Constantini (1655-1730) in the Role of Mezzetin, c.1699-1706 (oil on canvas), Troy, Jean Francois de (1679-1752) /Musee Conde, Chantilly, France /Giraudon /The
Bridgeman Art Library

kr555 15.09.2012 16:58

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2259881)
And where is the original? )))
Father and son painted somehow not very clear. But most importantly, it is written in later prints.

But the original is not found :) He may not even preserved.
But the British original attributes to his father , perhaps , they have something original about it know. Well, yes portrait , written later prints , and age of the artist is Student . Most likely from the same original.

Борис Кон 15.09.2012 17:38

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Сообщение от kr555 (Сообщение 2259751)
Well, the author of the original completely different artist.
Not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_François_de_Troy (1679-1752)
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_de_Troy (1645-1730)

And the portrait, which is in the first message comes in the guise of the original - it dates from the early 18th century, and it is obvious that this is also a copy of which Jean -Francois did with the original father .

Where information you have about this? Of - the beginning of the 18th century ? Podtverdeniya ?

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 2259691)
Are you sure that this is identical prints ?
If you omit the lack of poetry in the museum , you never know what the comparison is not the same as the picture , as I understand , and the details are not really - for example for the left foot .
See for yourself :

particular difference I do not see
and what you see - the evils of playback is not a graphic of course - photography

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* Graphic, photographic - plan

kr555 15.09.2012 18:07

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn (Сообщение 2259951)
Location information you have about this?
Of - the beginning of the 18th century?
Podtverdeniya?


Here
the painting from the collection musée Condé


Millésime création /exécution

1699 entre; 1706 et


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