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duche2 02.06.2012 23:26

Connoisseurs of prints "The trees have different V.F.Timma"
 
Вложений: 2
Where is the "correct" an engraving?
The first-sheet of the album Datsiaro "Custumes Russes", the second - in a frame decorated with a label and publishing Datsiaro name engraving on the reverse side. If both the "right", please explain how this could happen. Yours.

NATA NOVA 02.06.2012 23:50

first impression:

duche2, woodcut, second picture, the first-colored lithograph of the first prints.
(IMHO)

K-Maler 02.06.2012 23:52

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Сообщение от duche2 (Сообщение 2123711)
Where is the "right" engraving?


The second more "in time".

duche2 03.06.2012 00:04

Вложений: 1
The authenticity of the album is beyond doubt.

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 2123721)
first impression:

duche2, woodcut, second picture, the first-colored lithograph of the first prints.
(IMHO)

  
A second impression?
The second engraving, my first copied from another site.

Added after 5 minutes
In color, of course, everything is clear. Photoshop taxis, but what happened to the tree crown?
Miracles but ......

duche2 03.06.2012 00:09

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 2123721)
first impression:
duche2, engraving , second picture , the first - colored lithograph from the first prints. (IMHO )

  A second impression? The second engraving , my first copied from another site.

Added after 5 minutes
By color, of course, understandable. Photoshop taxis, but what happened to the crown of the tree? Miracles but ......

Игорь Гурьев 03.06.2012 01:46

Second - it is probably a reproduction of the first.

That is,
redrawn by another artist for reproduction do not know to what technology (lithograph?).

duche2 03.06.2012 11:48

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Сообщение от Guriev , Igor (Сообщение 2123851)
Second - it is probably a reproduction of the first.
That is, redrawn by another artist for reproduction do not know to what technology ( lithograph ?).

  It is excluded. Assume that the publisher printed an engraving Datsiaro lithographed , or not at Lemercier Lemercier lithograph printing image "left" of the artist, it is as if God came down to earth , or Kalterbrunner married to a Jewess .

Игорь Гурьев 03.06.2012 12:15

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Сообщение от duche2; 2123961 '
It is excluded. Assume that the publisher printed an engraving Datsiaro lithographed , or not at Lemercier Lemercier lithograph printing image "left" of the artist, it is as if God came down to earth , or Kalterbrunner married to a Jewess .

Irony is not understood.
God descended to earth .
If you have not heard about it, with joy notify you of this .

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There could be different editions.
You ventilated ?

duche2 03.06.2012 13:12

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 2123971)
Irony is not understood.
God descended to earth.
If you have not heard about it, with joy notify you of this.

===

There could be different editions.
You ventilated?

  In no way wanted to offend you, just remembered the dialogue between Stirlitz and Holtofom. I'm sorry. A publication was one mid-40s of the 19th century.
  As you know, in the time history is making prints the following steps:
  A. Proofs, made in the process of engraving the engraver.
 
Two. Reprints are printed before the signature was created nagravirovany engraving. Such lists are called "to the signature."
 
Three. Reprints are printed before the engraving was equipped with a text or number. They are called "pre text" and "to the numbers."
 
4. A reprint of all the signatures, but the circulation, ie it is not the publisher. Such an impression is "to address."
 
Five. Production prints indicating the publisher, and all the inscriptions with which the engraving was to be released.
 
  In the process of publication can be made any changes to an engraver. These impressions are called to change the order of "1st condition", "2nd state", etc.

  Do not throw tomatoes at me, but I would venture to suggest that changes have been made by the engraver between 4 and 5 stage, the so-called "1st condition" and "2nd state." However, this assumption may be valid only for the version that prints both the "right" .....

redbor 03.06.2012 13:15

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Сообщение от duche2 (Сообщение 2123711)
First, a piece of the album Datsiaro "Custumes Russes",

album is real, Russian costumes, lithographs, author Vasily F. Timm (W.Timm)
 
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тимм, _Vasiliy_Fedorovich

A framed engraving, probably made by him.


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