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Malsie 21.05.2012 16:15

The picture in 1812. Elisabeth Manteuffel
 
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Portrait painted in 1812.

The artist Carl August Zenff (Karl August Senff)

The portrait shows Elizabeth Countess of Count Manteuffel, and baronial family.

Painting in good condition.

Help to assess its value.
And in what way it is better to sell?

Size 30 cm * 45 cm

uriart 21.05.2012 17:17

Malsie, please indicate the size.

раскатов 21.05.2012 17:38

As Carl August Zenff (1770 - 1838.Tartu) was an Estonian artist. Perhaps we should search for images of the Baltic nobility. Senff studied in Leipzig and Dresden, from the famous masters of Anton Graff and Christian Leberehtf Fogelya.Priehav in Tartu, he mainly worked on the orders of the local nobility. Engraved, painted portraits and landscapes. He taught at the School of Drawing in the University of Tartu.
In the Russian service had a lot of people roda.Manteyfel Andrei hf. von (1762 - 1832) deystv.kamerger (1792) Bedchamber from 1784. Privy Councillor, Senator.

Johann Gottfried-Manteuffel (1776) klassn.chin. (1776) [Stepanov, VP Russian sluzh.dvoryanstvo 2nd floor. XVIII century. St. Petersburg., 2000's. 76-283 77-348]

Manteuffel Gregory A. hf. (1795 - 18?) Aide-de-camp (1825 -)

Ivan V. Manteuffel hf. (- 1813.10.06) Major General, Chief of the St. Petersburg Dragoons in 1808.05.20 heat. hordes. St.George three-step. <Back to reward otlichnago courage and bravery, rendered in the battle against the French troops on May 28 in the protection of the crossing in Gutshtadta, where, with the St. Petersburg Dragoons regiment struck the worsening in a larger number of enemy riflemen, hacked up the add and when the enemy was again occupied by them same ostavlennyya bivouacs, attacked, regardless of their position and a favorable slew of add, and then hit on the enemy's cavalry and kerf razseyal as the judges, and then covering up the batteries of Colonel Ermolov, deystvovavshiya under heavy fire, was not inferior to his place>. at Leipzig

Von Manteuffel, Karl Karlovich (1854) in 1854, Chamberlain [memorial book of Russian history in 1854]

Karl Manteuffel Khristoforovich (1795) in 1795, Colonel Rizhsk.dragunsk.polka. In service since 1781. In the rank of 1806.04.23. Adjutant Inspector gen.ot cavalry of Prince Alexander Virtembergskogo. 1807.11.07 retired from service with the uniform. Ak. 247ob.-248.

Manteuffel Nicholas (1795) in 1795 seconds, Major Rostovsk.pehotnogo in excess of the regiment. In service since 1763. In the rank of 1791.02.16. S. 342.

Malsie 21.05.2012 19:51

Цитата:

Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 2111031)
Malsie, please indicate the size.

Size 30 cm * 45 cm

Posted 10 minutes
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Сообщение от peals (Сообщение 2111081)
Because Carl August Zenff (1770 - 1838.Tartu) was an Estonian artist. Perhaps we should search for images of the Baltic nobility. Senff studied in Leipzig and Dresden, from the famous masters of Anton Graff and Christian Leberehtf Fogelya.Priehav in Tartu, he mainly worked on the orders of the local nobility. Engraved, painted portraits and landscapes. He taught at the School of Drawing in the University of Tartu.
In the Russian service had a lot of people roda.Manteyfel Andrei hf. von (1762 - 1832) deystv.kamerger (1792) Bedchamber from 1784. Privy Councillor, Senator.

Johann Gottfried-Manteuffel (1776) klassn.chin. (1776) [Stepanov, VP Russian sluzh.dvoryanstvo 2nd floor. XVIII century. St. Petersburg., 2000's. 76-283 77-348]

Manteuffel Gregory A. hf. (1795 - 18?) Aide-de-camp (1825 -)

Ivan V. Manteuffel hf. (- 1813.10.06) Major General, Chief of the St. Petersburg Dragoons in 1808.05.20 heat. hordes. St.George three-step. <Back to reward otlichnago courage and bravery, rendered in the battle against the French troops on May 28 in the protection of the crossing in Gutshtadta, where, with the St. Petersburg Dragoons regiment struck the worsening in a larger number of enemy riflemen, hacked up the add and when the enemy was again occupied by them same ostavlennyya bivouacs, attacked, regardless of their position and a favorable slew of add, and then hit on the enemy's cavalry and kerf razseyal as the judges, and then covering up the batteries of Colonel Ermolov, deystvovavshiya under heavy fire, was not inferior to his place>. at Leipzig

Von Manteuffel, Karl Karlovich (1854) in 1854, Chamberlain [memorial book of Russian history in 1854]

Karl Manteuffel Khristoforovich (1795) in 1795, Colonel Rizhsk.dragunsk.polka. In service since 1781. In the rank of 1806.04.23. Adjutant Inspector gen.ot cavalry of Prince Alexander Virtembergskogo. 1807.11.07 retired from service with the uniform. Ak. 247ob.-248.

Manteuffel Nicholas (1795) in 1795 seconds, Major Rostovsk.pehotnogo in excess of the regiment. In service since 1763. In the rank of 1791.02.16. S. 342.

This is what we all already know. In Vikiipedii and other sites much information about it.

We have deciphered what is written on the back of the picture,
It says that the painting was commissioned by her husband Andreas Magnus Otto von Loewenstern for Elizabeth Decanters Manteylfel (full name Anna Johanna von Manteylfel)
Lowenstern (German von Loewenstern) - Livonia barons and noble family.

redbor 21.05.2012 21:37

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Сообщение от Malsie (Сообщение 2110901)
And what better way to sell it?

Way - "product for the money."

It is better to put up for auction.

Antony 21.05.2012 22:44

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Сообщение от Malsie (Сообщение 2110901)
And in what way it is better to sell?

Size 30 cm * 45 cm


The sweetest option - to go directly to a resident in Germany or the U.S. Sloop-off children, and with them at an exorbitant price for a portrait of the progenitor <! - ~ 1 ~ ->.

Malsie 21.05.2012 23:11

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Сообщение от Antony (Сообщение 2111481)
The sweetest option - to go directly to a resident in Germany or the U.S. Sloop-off children, and with them at an exorbitant price for a portrait of the progenitor <! - ~ 1 ~ ->.


The fact that we find the descendants of Elizabeth on Facebook.

Wrote them a letter.
they have no answer.

Let's wait and hope.

redbor 22.05.2012 08:09

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Сообщение от Malsie (Сообщение 2111501)
.. The fact that we find the descendants of Elizabeth ... wrote them a letter.
They still do not meet.

It is logical.
Usual story - do not rush to buy the descendants of the portraits of his ancestors, especially for big money.

More often than not, themselves happy to sell.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->


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