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Интерес 02.04.2012 16:50

Mr. Tabakerka.Serebro.Emali.1846
 
Вложений: 10
Excellent condition.

Size - 85 x 53 x 13 mm.

Weight - 100 grams.

A magnificent example of works of Russian masters of enamel.

price of $ 1500.

EvgeniyMarkov 03.04.2012 01:25

No hallmarks of the city?

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I think there has to be found coat of arms of Moscow.


Assay master AK - possibly Andrew Kowalski (worked in Moscow, 1812-1851)


Here is the link to a similar subject in 1849, without enamel, the price of $ 900



EvgeniyMarkov 03.04.2012 01:44

Вложений: 1
I think there has to be found coat of arms of Moscow.


Assay master AK - possibly Andrew Kowalski (worked in Moscow, 1812-1851)


Here is the link to a similar subject in 1849, without enamel, the price of $ 900

Кирилл Сызранский 03.04.2012 01:47

Цитата:

Сообщение от EvgeniyMarkov (Сообщение 2053291)
assay master AK - possibly Andrew Kowalski (who worked in Moscow, 1812-1851)

Do you think that made cigarette case presented to the 1851?
Under Nicholas I?

Before the Crimean War?

U_Z 03.04.2012 02:52

Цитата:

Сообщение от Interest ; 2052201"
perfect example works of Russian masters of enamel .

I have to question the phrase " perfect example of creativity Russian masters enamel ."

Please show me a similar stamp to cover the subject.

In my opinion, they are not there .

There are two options (few photos and add. Information) :
 
A . Cover my own, but with novodelnoy enamel of the 21st century .
Two . Novodelnaya novodelnoy cover with enamel.

I bow to the second version.

PS: The lower part of the real object (most likely the Great Ustyug ) and corresponds to the time stamping .

EvgeniyMarkov 03.04.2012 03:27

Цитата:

Сообщение от U_Z (Сообщение 2053341)
There are two options (few photos and add. Information) :
 
A . Cover my own, but with novodelnoy enamel of the 21st century .
Two . Novodelnaya novodelnoy cover with enamel.

I bow to the second version.

PS: The lower part of the real object (most likely the Great Ustyug ) and corresponds to the time stamping .

This explains what happened to the emblem of Moscow <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Enamel look novodelnymi or scratches or cleavage.

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Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2053301)
Do you think that made ​​cigarette case presented to the 1851 ? Under Nicholas I?
Before the Crimean War ?

I am of the opinion that the lower part of the stamps until 1851.
And the enamel does not give the impression that they 150 + years.


And as the picture on the cover with the stamps with enamels not, the options are painted U_Z.

Кирилл Сызранский 03.04.2012 04:10

Цитата:

Сообщение от EvgeniyMarkov (Сообщение 2053391)
I am of the opinion that the lower part of the stamps until 1851.

I asked him about all the cigarette case.

The mass production of cigarettes (and cigarettes) emerged in Europe just after the Crimean War in the 60s of the XIX century.

Интерес 03.04.2012 17:21

Вложений: 9
Lord , I respect the opinion of each participant adequate and will not deny or confirm anything !
With full responsibility I declare that no manipulation of the object did not make !
On the lid seals are not found , as well as other stamps at all (except published ).
I want to sell the item ! Therefore, I ask those who are interested in the subject - to offer good value for money ! <! - ~ 12 ~ ->

Fed 03.04.2012 21:35

In object - stamp issue :
Moscow is no stigma if you like 1846 , which may indicate that the product made ​​after 1896

This is evidenced by a brand master Nikita Mikhailov (1896 -after 1908). While trying to pass off as N. Mikhailov, 1835-1860 , but has a different brand . For the aging of the stigma did assay master AA Kowalski - tried, but there are flaws , though you can write them off , rubbed saying much. But - anyway - where the stigma of Moscow ? Lost ?

Why do old ?

Is also inclined to think that " The lower part of the subject real" , but not great , does not seem Ustyug stigma , and lost all sense - to the rest of the stigma gone .

That is, took part in Nikita Mikhailov and incomplete. Learn to why.

Кирилл Сызранский 03.04.2012 22:04

Цитата:

Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 2054431)
Too inclined to think that "The lower part of the subject real", but not great Ustyug

Only now, drew attention to this part of the picture.

is no Russian mob, in style - a clear Europe.


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