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Artur25 11.03.2012 17:32

Complete antique dinner service one on one
 
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Rarity is not unparalleled, as is fully complete and perfectly preserved porcelain manufactory service handmade, the world's museums do not have full-sets of the period. Full service face to face (it consists of two cups, two saucers, teapot with lid, sugar bowl with lid, milk jug and tray - only ten subjects), no scratches, no cracks and no chips, porcelain, some elements of all subjects covered platinum ... presumably belonged to the family service known connoisseur of antiques billionaire Vanderbilt, a connoisseur of porcelain, and was on his "Red Villa" at Havana (Cuba), as a result of the Cuban Revolution service fell into the hands of Fidel Castro, after the Caribbean crisis service was presented to the military Adviser to the Soviet Union to Cuba for services to the Cuban Revolution ...
    Unique is the complete set of the service with no cracks or chips. A unique work, unparalleled style of hand-painted, due to the antiquity set. Estimated age - 200 years, presumably - the early Weimar period dokleymenny factory (according to experts on porcelain museum in Yasnaya Polyana, near Moscow, and according to experts on porcelain museum of World War II in Minsk).

Please - share your opinion ...

uriart 11.03.2012 17:56

Artur25, do not trust and do not tell tales of their adult uncles and aunts.

Uttered by you of pseudo illiterate nonsense, complete nonsense.

Artur25 11.03.2012 18:35

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Then give your version, please, to avoid unsubstantiated overtones.
What kind of service and why you think so ... I have not met counterparts ....

Fed 11.03.2012 21:56

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Сообщение от Artur25 (Сообщение 2019901)
early Weimar period dokleymenny factory

And when was this period when the Weimar without a brand?

At Yasnaya Polyana have some exclusive information?

In this picture nothing at all to understand.
Although china without brand, like vodka without a degree <! - ~ 9 ~ -> (called the water).

garry1950 11.03.2012 22:24

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Rarity unparalleled as a fully complete and perfectly preserved porcelain manufactory service handmade, the world's museums do not have full-sets of the period. Full service face to face (it consists of two cups, two saucers, teapot with lid, sugar bowl with lid, milk jug and tray - only ten subjects), no scratches, no cracks and no chips, porcelain, some elements of all subjects covered platinum ... presumably belonged to the family service known connoisseur of antiques billionaire Vanderbilt, a connoisseur of porcelain, and was on his "Red Villa" at Havana (Cuba), as a result of the Cuban Revolution service fell into the hands of Fidel Castro, after the Caribbean crisis service was presented to the military Adviser to the Soviet Union to Cuba for services to the Cuban Revolution ...
    Unique is the complete set of the service with no cracks or chips. A unique work, unparalleled style of hand-painted, due to the antiquity set. Estimated age - 200 years, presumably - the early Weimar period dokleymenny factory (according to experts on porcelain museum in Yasnaya Polyana, near Moscow, and according to experts on porcelain museum of World War II in Minsk).

Please - share your opinion ...

If the photos were of higher quality, then maybe I would guess that this is Bavaria. Not a bad service, average craftsmanship. But the provenance nastorazhivet their lack of quality. The absence of marks can talk about a special order. About bezmarochnom Weimar period, unfortunately history is not known. Another thing Vincennes-Sevres. From SW. Harry!

Artur25 12.03.2012 16:31

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first professional post! Thank you ...
Experts on china at Yasnaya Polyana in 2000, considered the best in Russia ....
they assumed Vincennes Sevres option period, but then stopped for some reason the Germans ...
there is some hint of Bavaria on specific details, but there are doubts on the forms ...
I dug up a bunch of literature, Internet resources, museum exhibitions in different countries , experts ... but did not find anything similar that would allow him to somehow appreciate .... if it is made in a single copy ...

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Could such a case, in the service be designed and manufactured in a single copy?
and how to appreciate it then? ..

Artur25 12.03.2012 16:35

No brand can ... talk about a special order ...
 
Could such a case, in the service be designed and manufactured in a single copy?
and how to appreciate it then? ..

Кирилл Сызранский 12.03.2012 16:47

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Сообщение от Artur25 (Сообщение 2021201)
porcelain experts in Yasnaya Polyana in 2000, considered the best in Russia ....

The State Memorial and Natural Preserve

"Museum-Estate of Leo
Tolstoy "Yasnaya Polyana"?

Yes, you have someone over evil just kidding, it is better not repeat other people's stupidity.

Fed 12.03.2012 17:04

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Сообщение от Artur25 (Сообщение 2021211)
... No brand can talk about a special order ...

The absence of marks on the product without any bells and whistles can talk about what it is-domestic.
Such a trick resorted to improve sales by foreign.

Artur25 12.03.2012 17:11

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran ; 2021231 '
Yes, you over someone evil just kidding , it is better not repeat other people's stupidity .

pointless to argue today , where he worked 12 years ago, a seasoned expert in this area ... seek advice if it was there they gave me in Moscow respected people involved in antiques ...
I understand that on every forum has its own flock and ohaivateley pinateley feet, do not understand the question , but participating in all subjects ... please write to the authors of posts on the subject matter , but it is only one sensible post so far and a lot of mutual "thank you "not - for - that ...

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it-domestic

But, the service had no Russian roots ... and imitation of what?
where the analogs?
forge untwisted, and brand and certify ...


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