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alexv1818 02.03.2012 15:52

Trophy picture. Please estimate.
 
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Hello The painting was brought from Berlin in 1945 , according to the heirs of a veteran of WWII. On the front side there is no signature of the author . Apparently the owner of a picture printed on the back , and is the author . On the reverse side there is the colorful " paper " and print the 3- th Reich. It is believed that the film has participated in exhibitions since nazyvemyh Nazis ' art for the people. " The dimensions of the frame 775h515 mm on canvas paintings 625h355 mm.

Please make a judgment on the picture and give an approximate value. Thank you in advance .

Игорь Гурьев 02.03.2012 15:57

Painting amateurish, malovysokohudozhestvennaya.

This is, in general, not even art, so tortured schedule.

Masikmak 02.03.2012 16:10

But what labels and print on the back!
Unfortunately I do not know German, but the label on the top like a date with a swastika painted on his hands: 12/08 1969?
Or is there a triple, not six?

тандем 02.03.2012 16:32

These " masterpieces" brought the officers of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany and their wives , who served volnonaemnymi.Otovarka occurred on a huge flea market on the outskirts of Berlin Vyunsdorf.Nakleyki and printing fake . For them actually paid as they served as the main indicator for consumers 'level' of painting.

alexv1818 02.03.2012 20:50

Handwritten: 12/08/1939, the

Labels and seals do not look "linden" IMHO

Toinen 02.03.2012 20:58

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Сообщение от alexv1818 (Сообщение 2009201)
stickers and seals do not look "linden" IMHO




alexv1818, it's not the labels, painting is very weak.

Amateur 02.03.2012 21:45

Цитата:

Сообщение от alexv1818; 2009201"
stickers and seals do not look "linden" IMHO

Alas, Tandem, probably right:
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Сообщение от tandem; 2008731"
stickers and printing fake.

On the label there is clearly overdone.
First, neither the artist nor even the Baron Otto von Tsibotendorf does not exist . In Silesia, was a kind of baronial von Sebottendorf (von Sebottendorf). This name was quite famous in Nazi Germany. She wore one of the founders of the "Thule Society", from which grew NSAPG - Rudolf von Sebottendorf. Although he did not belong to this genus itself, but (not confirmed) was the adopted son of one of the members of this genus. However, there is evidence that he simply came to be called that name, unauthorized by assigning the same time and baronial title.

Second, it is doubtful that the author of the picture, written in 1865, would be signed on paper with swastikas, supposedly glued to the rope press 74 years later the name . Even if he was still alive then, why is it that more than 90-year old man, it was necessary? Why all this paper? It was enough to print from a family coat of arms (by the way, a good idea to check - and the coat of arms, whether it?).

alexv1818 02.03.2012 22:44

Subject placed precisely in order to find out opinions of people who know a little bit, and the truth about the subject.
Without any claims, etc., as
absolutely "no clue".
Very interesting and useful views.
Thank responded.

Amateur 03.03.2012 15:48

However , your picture - is still a pretty interesting "document of time." I was even beginning to think that this shit was originally manufactured for sale to anyone not of the soldiers of the Red Army after May 1945 . And vice versa - for " vtyuhivaniya " someone from the uneducated Nazi bosses of low caliber. Just think - a picture of (supposedly) one of the relatives of the background Zibottendorfa , who founded the Nazi Party before joining the Fuhrer it !

Artforboy 03.03.2012 15:58

It would be better to send the picture to Germany for examination and it will tell ...


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