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Antony 12.02.2012 14:07

Question by KC
 
Dear colleagues, please advise.
I enter the Russian Federation subjects of arts and crafts as a KC.
Thus
they get registered in the Ministry of Culture?
Does not arise in connection with the problems in their subsequent implementation?

Thanks in advance!

Кирилл Сызранский 12.02.2012 14:25

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Сообщение от Antony; 1974241"
Does not arise in connection with this problem in the subsequent implementation ?

And how can they be ?
Minkultovskie officials in a year , for example, after the import will come to your home to check for this KC ?
Or do they see the same on any forum topic about your selling this kc , keep track of the transaction and then demand to pay taxes ?
You about these " problems "?

Antony 12.02.2012 15:04

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1974261)
You about these "problems"?

 
Yeah, something like that ...
Or is this something formal minkultovsky account?
In fact, as such, taking into account \\ control there?

Кирилл Сызранский 12.02.2012 15:09

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Сообщение от Antony (Сообщение 1974281)
Or is this something formal minkultovsky account?
In fact, as such, taking into account \\ control there?

You-you think?
 
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Antony 12.02.2012 15:28

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1974291)
You-you think?
 
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Thank you.
You reassured me.
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Маруся 12.02.2012 16:41

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Сообщение от Antony; 1974241"
I enter the Russian Federation subjects of arts and crafts as a KC. Thus they get registered in the Ministry of Culture ? Does not arise in connection with this problem in the subsequent implementation ?

Normally, as KC import or cultural values ​​on which such documents are issued in the exporting country , or declaring KC on their own : for items older than 100 years or works that , regardless of age can be recognized as cultural property in accordance with our legislation . This is done in is to ensure that imported goods were registered at the Ministry of Culture ( sometimes even have to bring extra spravochki ) and one purpose only - to avoid problems later if you want to implement these same items from abroad ( ie, with the subsequent removal and obtaining appropriate permits ).

In all other cases you can use fewer formalities and effort.

Antony 12.02.2012 17:52

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 1974341)
In all other cases you can use less formality and effort .

Maroussia , thanks for the response. And I understand that the items claimed as KC is mainly in order to avoid paying tax. Or am I mistaken ?
Case Study: The imported European bronze, for the most part the casting 20s ,30 -s 20c. That is, formal objects of less than 100 years old. What will advise? I then good people are advised not to bathe , and generally does not declare , they say no masterpieces and not so many of them, and boldly walk through the green corridor . But I suspect that this may result in case of smuggling . In general, what would you want with minimal cost , but without the crime.

khmelev 12.02.2012 17:53

I wonder ... I always thought that this law was prolobirovan order to avoid paying import duties for the painting, bought for big money at Western auctions.

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Сообщение от Antony; 1974441"
But I suspect that this may result in case of smuggling. In general, what would you want with minimal cost, but without the crime.

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I'm always fighting with customs, so that I can give you expert advice. You have the right to import goods purchased by you in two ways - first by declaring them as cultural values. And then - call an expert, photos, etc.
The second way - just like goods. If the amount you spent to buy them for less than the permitted duty-free entry, then you can formally take the path of tacit declaration and really go through the green corridor, but then you get ready to talk to customs officials who are determined that you are a crook, and they themselves need money - that is, they will judge you by looking at yourself.
So, my advice - declare your bronze and so on, as goods, even if they cost 500 euros and go through the red corridor. Customs asks you why you do declare. Answer me that you may declare even his own bald head, and customs is a matter of right to assess whether you have declared, and whether it is subject to customs clearance. You are restrained immediately and after a couple of such attempts would be the sight of you, quickly go the other way. Just be sure to keep all invoices, catalogs, etc.

Маруся 12.02.2012 18:56

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Сообщение от khmelev; 1974451"
I wonder ... I always thought that this law was prolobirovan order to avoid paying import duties for the painting , bought for big money at Western auctions .

Well, in order to bring duty-free item, no one to lobby did not have to ... That way you can do ... But for that , if anything, to remove this item ... This is where it took the lobby ...

Do not declare the + green corridor - indeed, as far as possible - an ideal case . But I fear that the topic was " tingle his bronze ..."

Цитата:

Сообщение от khmelev; 1974451"
But I suspect that this may result in case of smuggling . In general, what would you want with minimal cost , but without the crime .

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And so , God forbid, smuggling affair did not end there , I recommend " declared antiquities " (along with gold and jewels ) and to submit documents for the purchase . Up to 10 000 euro entry - no fee.
Next - or parts , or - by mail. (Mail , by the way , does not require the purchase of documents ).

khmelev 12.02.2012 19:53

You have misunderstood me . If you go through the green channel , you will also declare , but tacit , t.e.Konklyudentnye action ( from Lat . Concludo - conclude , I make a conclusion ) - of the person expressing his will to establish a legal relationship (eg, make a deal ), but not in the form of oral or written expression , and behavior by which one can draw a conclusion about such an intention .

But I just , I advise you to declare , as a commodity, if the amount can not pay the fee is quite formal.


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