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Fed 18.12.2011 18:56

What is the artist
 
How much to pay for the painting of the artist? Has been discussed at the forum, but I decided to make new calculations and unify the approach. And, surprisingly, but will help in this and the single feature ranking.

The fact that many products and goods practically did not change its value over several centuries, in terms of precious metals, I knew before, what gave examples on the forum.

Now I have decided to combine two-factor value of silver and paintings pay (salary), the famous artists who like to remember in any dispute about the value of living artists.

Very easy to take for comparison Canaletto (Bernardo Belotto), who received payment in silver of the Elector of Saxony, and the amount is known and often-145 thalers for a picture, can be calculated and paid on time, ie for the month.

It is convenient and because the artist doing the work counted at that time is real, rather than under the current fantasies, and suddenly a present muff-Van Gogh.

I counted not just the value of silver for a picture, and calculated the value of the basket of goods now and then in silver.

Came an amazing amount for a painting from 7000 to 9000 dollars. But decided to take the 8000, not only as a secondary, but due to the fact that he performed additional work.

Amazing it is, because its order, is very similar to the calculation of the Uniform thin. rankings for the top price recommendations, which begins with 2 levels.
But then the difference-Canaletto, I think as a level in their ranking, "Artist-high-class professional with outstanding organizational skills, enjoys unconditional demand and popularity." What led to the choice and Elector.

Level 6, they have an artist with creativity, that is, unknown. According to their paintings very much debated. As a result, there was a lot of enemies in the evaluation of their work (qualitative) - from $ 400 to $ 600. The latter figure is the fact that esl there is a desire to sell the painting again, something to help out more for an unknown painter. usually extremely difficult. Especially in the presence of additional. %Of intermediaries-galleries.

In such calculations can unify the real value of the other, using the technique Hud.reytinga. But do not just look at their disputed assessments, and adjust them for yourself and work, given the description of the rating categories:
2 - designer high-class professional, recognized and marketable art market and the public - $ 5200
3 - a professional artist, recognized and marketable art market and the public - $ 3200
4 - held a professional artist, art market demanded - $ 2000
5 - There is a professional artist $ 1,100
6 - an artist with creativity (unknown) - $ 600.
It relates to important works of the artist's current level. And the figures of payment less the same as the current payment of similar categories in other areas of the economy.

And on this basis include good approach, advocated by Paul - to auction the artist's works from this base price. If there is improvement, it is the market value in excess of a "recommended" reasonable and realistic. And the sale of the "store" - focus + /- to "recommended."

That is - the picture - like a commodity rather than razvodilovo.

Seriy 18.12.2011 22:12

Fed, well, what it is. Artist without exhibitions and publications everywhere ( in the U.S. ) is worth up to $ 1,000 category 1, perhaps in real life is more expensive - 10-15 thousand Category 3-5 it is unclear what is the difference .
And yet you have not decided on a size 20x20 is cheaper than 100x100.
It is unlikely that the picture may be the real product to market pricing. Like diamonds, such as are sold , but the market is not free from regulation and arrangements.

NATA NOVA 18.12.2011 22:45

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1894021)
It is unlikely that the picture may be the real product to market pricing

Mozhno you can!

Only pictures bvolshe than the eye!

Артём 18.12.2011 23:46

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1893771)
What is the artist

Not calculated!

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1894021)
not decided on a size 20x20 is cheaper than 100x100.

Oh, and - now selling in the U.S. or in India?

Fed 19.12.2011 00:04

Are you interested in U.S. or India ?
I thought about the local (especially since they are easier to identify by rating) . But a universal approach .

About the size and the like - I wrote that the important work of painter. at its present stage. Hardly 20x20 - be Best for him.

Such an approach is bound to precious metals in the history gives greater control to the buyer. We do not need talk , like, - and suddenly the artist exaggerated , and then the bubble burst, and conversely underestimated easier to calculate.

 You can glance rating , adjust the common sense category, and just get the price at which the maximum liquidity , historically, without passions of art . That is - after years be able to sell at the price of a similar or more expensive (and with reference to silver ).

Victor_art 19.12.2011 01:26

How much does the artist.
 
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I counted not just the value of silver for a picture, and calculated the value of the basket of goods now and then in silver .
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In other words - a picture - like a commodity rather than razvodilovo .
From the memoirs of Konstantin Korovin ... Alexei Savrasov
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And just recently went out young , like you, Vasiliev. It was a great artist , I adored this young man . He died in the Crimea - throat consumption. I asked one to give him a picture of money - no, he feared that wasted money ... Yes, yes - he was afraid . And was gone ... no money, and Vasiliev. How much it cost , Vasiliev something - no one knows , and I do not know - who is that ... I do not know what is Schubert's serenade or two lines of Alexander Pushkin :
I remember a wonderful moment : In front of me was you ...
Yes, yes ... But as well as noble, sublime ... Does not cost anything ... At the fair, that's all we know, it's worth . And this is - nothing, - he pointed to studies .
How much it cost , Vasiliev something? :confused:>

Артём 19.12.2011 01:48

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Сообщение от Fed; 1894151"
This approach is bound to precious metals in the history gives greater control to the buyer. We do not need talk , like, - and suddenly the artist exaggerated , and then the bubble burst, and conversely underestimated easier to calculate .

Fed, strange conversation . I put up for auctions . in Kiev and of itself , and Zakharov , not sold . Well? All blurry . Phony , phony no . Like, I do not like . Raisins do not see the topic. Explain .
Do you think about local, and cites the example of Canaletto.

NATA NOVA 19.12.2011 02:41

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 1894221)
hollow, not phony.
Like, I do not like.


Fed, study your right, of course ..
But about the "factor (s) vostrebovatelnosti" ("promoted") forgot ..
And in our time, this strange plus 1-2-3 ... zero (with the same talent) ...

In "Vasiliev" invest ... (if you know) ...

K-Maler 19.12.2011 06:16

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Сообщение от Artem ; 1894221"
Fed, strange conversation . I put up for auctions . in Kiev and of itself , and Zakharov , not sold . Well? All blurry . Phony , phony no . Like, I do not like . Raisins do not see the topic. Explain .
Do you think about local, and cites the example of Canaletto.
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I came to the conclusion that the situation has shifted to a place if large art exhibitions have been more in the central halls, where people come to "all" , regardless of advertising. Among the numerous public always are those who are versed in the issue (regardless of advertising). That they who would determine - who is who.

Михалыч 19.12.2011 06:37

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1894021)
... no artist exhibitions and publications everywhere (in the U.S.) is worth up to $ 1,000

I sold (and more than once) and similar for $ 2,000 and above (this is not even x /m, and schedule).


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