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sportsmen 09.12.2011 11:11

Why loses interest in Russian art
 
I'll try to describe all aspects of the slowdown in demand.

1) Globalization. At the time of the closed Soviet Union, a wide choice among Soviet collectors (or ordinary citizens-aesthetes) was not. It was only the Soviet art, and no more. So they had to choose only from accessible, ie - Russian-Soviet direction. Western art has been closed from the eyes of Soviet citizens, and it can be seen only on rare exhibitions in Moscow, or very rare color albums. But there is no availability for Soviet citizens to buy it was not in sight. Stir in Russian art has always been artificial, as in Soviet times was a wild rush for Russian cars. It is not because they were so good its qualities, but simply because the choice of our citizens do not have, and still had a total deficit. Now these wretched cars for next to nothing nobody needs, and in fact even some 25 years ago they changed their apartment in Moscow.

2) Prejudice. In modern times, when the borders are open and you can buy in the world without even leaving their huts Uryupinsk, the choice was obvious and polnoobemnym. Now, a simple post-Soviet esthete be choice than to decorate your own walls, - the works of Russian artist or west. And I must honestly say that now the vast majority prefer to decorate their walls of the old European masters, than the Russian-Soviet art. Not even because of the aesthetic point of view, but rather is due to the opinions formed on the entire post-Soviet space: domestic - so notorious shit. And this axiom religiously follow everything our citizens, preferring to deal with the West than with the domestic. And it does not matter which concerns this axiom, even water pad, although top-end art. And even though you tresni, dissuade our people do not get all holy confident that the Western far higher, better, safer, and more valuable than the native domestic. And I must say they are absolutely right to relate to the hands of our citizens, there can be no good at all. And because of this suffering and Russian art.


3) Factor demand. In Soviet times, we all lived in the USSR. Today is a huge mass of the former Soviet population lives in Europe and America. Have no doubt, in what kind of art prefer to invest these Russian-speaking Americans, Europeans, Australians. In all auctions of Russian art in foreign countries they rule our nouveaux riches, which have long been purely nominally referred to as "Russians", but themselves and their families always live in our London and Paris. It is hard to imagine Abramovich, who left for permanent residence in London, and bought a Russian football club Spartak (Nalchik). But well represented himself as Abramovich arrived for permanent residence in London buys a local Chelsea. A similar story with the art. Who have left for permanent residence prefer to buy local art, art, or at least a single continent. Russian tycoon in London gladly buy Modigliani Italian or French, Pissarro, as European art are equally valued in all countries of Europe. But such an oligarch will scratch reputation on Russian bid auction in London, thinking - worth it or not. Therefore, the rich Russian is now complete on the western art auction, they are actively investing in the top masters of Europe. And these Russian rich are fewer auctions of Russian art, they just lose (or have already lost) interest. For them, living in castles in England and France, all of Russian art, this type of analogy Russian car, a Russian holiday home, a Russian ski resort, the Russian aircraft and so on. They are not interested, do not want to, not cause of desire.

4) degradation and the decline of culture in Russia. There's even say nothing, so everything is visible. The level of culture in Russia is rapidly approaching the African level and intellectual level is already there. Russia becomes the most real kind of primitive Africa, with its attendant attributes: the Middle Ages, feudalism, the worship of idols, lawlessness, anarchy, power, slavery, tyranny, sbrendivshey power. Cultural aspect of the present generation is expressed in the iPhone, cool cars, night clubs, ottyaga in foreign countries and among other things, so little resembles the level of culture in Soviet society. The younger generation is not interested in traditional art galleries and exhibitions, there is "high" no. The situation is different, computer games, tussovki, discos, beer, sex. All this makes bold cross on the domestic arts. If you do not appreciate it at home, in foreign countries so it is no longer valued, but the most well can a rare exception.

5) immigration. It's no secret that a huge number of Russian citizens wishing to leave Russia in any normal country. And it's not a bad stratum of Russian society. Just a normal person, seeing what happens to Russia, has a strong desire to throw away from this cesspool. He wants to live in a normal country, in a normal society, in a normal society with normal government. In what art can be discussed, if you want to run this country? And who wants it the most - drunken plumbers or normal engineer? That is just the whole point of that potential buyers of art though to escape, rather than mechanics, in which all the joy in a bottle, and they are quite well live in Russia. What is - "Russia today"? It is, figuratively speaking, the ship Titanic, which has long had sprung a leak and is slowly but surely sinking into an abyss. On rescue boats already settled all the elite ship, the whole dominant team, including the captain, and all their valuable assets, even small dogs. A simple passengers were on a sinking Titanic. So what kind of art may think of the passengers of Titanic?

Барвиха 09.12.2011 11:18

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"My friend," Comrade, look at my section Buy and instantly lift your spirits.

sportsmen 09.12.2011 11:24

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Сообщение от Barvikha (Сообщение 1881511)
"My friend ," Comrade, look at my section Buy and instantly lift your spirits .

Somewhere in Somalia is also a wish that something on the cheap to buy. But what does that say ? They also have a boom and high demand ?

Much better looking than private ads and compare the results of bidding at auctions.

Барвиха 09.12.2011 11:32

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Error ! Auctions in the west , working on the " legs " associated with a lack of good material . And we , like monkeys , and consultants who have our auctions ? Where isskustvovedy Tretyakov Gallery , Russian Museum ? Vkusovschina Delitanstvo and solid ! Under his feet lay masterpiece, but the people chasing " rasskraskami "! We need to work on yourself and everything will be fine !

Added after 6 minutes
Yes, at the last auction in London, had almost nothing to buy!
My friend bought Konchalovsky-Tatar still life and the Wolf-Uzbeks.
Everything else Interior.

sportsmen 09.12.2011 11:43

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Сообщение от Barvikha (Сообщение 1881531)
Error ! Auctions in the west , working on the " legs " associated with a lack of good material .

Something I did not notice . Can not look at that angle ?

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Сообщение от Barvikha (Сообщение 1881531)
 And we , like monkeys , and consultants who have our auctions ? Where isskustvovedy Tretyakov Gallery , Russian Museum ? Vkusovschina Delitanstvo and solid !

But where does the consultants? Professional art dealer or a knowledgeable person did not need it consultants. But very often it is the consultants at the auction houses give false advice, so as to prevail upon their target customer to buy .

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Сообщение от Barvikha (Сообщение 1881531)
Under his feet lay masterpiece, but the people chasing " rasskraskami "! We need to work on yourself and everything will be fine !!

Barvikha, you of course I 'm sorry, but your number of simple grammatical errors in the text does not give me reason to believe you, that lie under the feet of masterpieces, and none of them except you do not know.

Барвиха 09.12.2011 13:09

professional dealer
 
Good luck to the professional dealer.

Seriy 09.12.2011 15:20

sportsmen, why do you all have written so much time was spent ? Online people are engaged in buying and selling Russian fine arts . It is their job and their choices. In every country , China , USA, Russia , the art market works primarily with domestic material, it has always been , always will. So your great post addressed to nowhere ...

sportsmen 09.12.2011 16:06

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1881861)
sportsmen, why do you all have written so much time was spent ? Online people are engaged in buying and selling Russian fine arts . It is their job and their choices. In every country , China , USA, Russia , the art market works primarily with domestic material, it has always been , always will. So your great post addressed to nowhere ...

This is you talking about? Or do you think I deny all this ?

Konstantin 09.12.2011 16:11

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Сообщение от sportsmen; 1881491"
And I must honestly say that now the vast majority prefer to decorate their walls of the old European masters, than the Russian- Soviet art . Not even because of the aesthetic point of view , but rather is due to the opinions formed on the entire post -Soviet space : domestic - so notorious crap

Beyond this place did not read - the absolute disparity of reality.

sportsmen 09.12.2011 16:26

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1881931)
Beyond this place did not read - the absolute disparity of reality .

OK, let's correct it : the vast majority prefer to decorate their walls the works of Russian masters, than in Europe. Not even because of the aesthetic point of view , but rather is due to the opinions formed on the entire post -Soviet space : domestic - means high quality.

Tell me, just that something changed ?


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