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artcol 03.12.2011 15:36

Internet and the art market. Nikas Safronov is dedicated years
 
All information below relates solely to the market sovriska.

There is a common belief - that the Internet will bring the market (which implies its members, eats, but :)>) shared prosperity. However, this is not the case. Internet - it's arms (developed weapon with the prefix meta, and in the application of interest to us (me) the economic aspect of it - is the capture and retention (control) markets through totalization - monopolization of information space on a purely "market" principles. Who in full holds the weapon - he will receive the main benefit of owning it and using it.

This weapon has two major factors for mi-conditioned "striking" effect:
1) technological leadership (including in the sphere of hume tech) - the quality factor
2) the rate and density of the flow of information - quantitative factor

If you can turn off the TV (although I find it hard to judge as it was in the era of television) - then disconnect from the Internet will fail.

To be continued ...

The art market - the last unregulated market: is it true?
Internet and the artist: a view from the side.
Internet and dealers: what is being prepared.
"Mulon in the Mist" (c) as a way to feel.

Селена 03.12.2011 15:58

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1876181)
This weapon has two major factors for mi - conditioned " striking " effect :
1) technological leadership (including in the sphere of hume tech) - the quality factor
2) the rate and density of the flow of information - quantitative factor

and 3 factor - a giant network structure formed on 5 continents with a directed personal effects.
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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1876181)
although it is hard to judge as it was in the era of television

Liked the idea of the second plan - the era of television is over ... :)>

artcol 03.12.2011 16:12

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Сообщение от Selena, 1876201
, and 3 factor - a giant network structure is formed on 5 continents

Well, it's as if the material side, we omit it. Internet - it is still an idea in the first place. To paraphrase Lenin's ideas have become a force when he appears Infrastructure

Posted 33 minutes after
It is believed that the art market - the last unregulated market in the world (s), implying that a certain freedom of pricing art. Maybe - this is so. However, if the price is high, but no one is buying - then your profit is zero. It is obvious that the art market liquidity is more important than price, but its something to regulate can.

Liquidity is always something missing. Internet allows you to quickly create new niches and trends - and while they are empty, then at the stage of filling the one who in the subject and before anyone gets podsuetilsya a good profit. However, it is necessary to understand the sequence of events: the idea fit the prototype sample, propaganda, mass fashion. No idea (its a modern rossarta I do not see it) - go strut Forum (s), sell and tattered leaves Laktionova Chichenova. But not all bad - some niche organically can not be filled until the end. To search.


All the above relates solely to the market sovriska.

Seriy 03.12.2011 22:10

artcol, firstly, is the theme of "Internet sales", why start a new one?
Second, Inet is deteriorating rapidly as a means of advertising exposure captivated all , some sites can not be opened , they were overwhelmed by advertising and dopssylkami , the consumer appears to him that the same repugnance as to television.
 Liquidity is what is missing? why should I? Bread is the most marketable commodity, but in stroymagazinah cement .
How is liquidity in the art market is more important than price? will sell for 5 cents a Picasso, will rejoice and be sad liquidity further, where else would take the Picasso ?
Or, as one distinguished user - to provide advertisement on the forum - buy still life painter of the early 20th century from the Tretyakov Gallery ?

Кирилл Сызранский 03.12.2011 22:20

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1876221)
Lentulov

Laktionova not Lentulov, which is steeper for a couple of orders of magnitude, I think.

artcol 03.12.2011 22:44

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1876631)
artcol, firstly, is the theme of "Internet sales", why start a new one?
Second, Inet is deteriorating rapidly as a means of advertising exposure captivated all , some sites can not be opened , they were overwhelmed by advertising and dopssylkami , the consumer appears to him that the same repugnance as to television.
 Liquidity is what is missing? why should I? Bread is the most marketable commodity, but in stroymagazinah cement .
How is liquidity in the art market is more important than price? will sell for 5 cents a Picasso, will rejoice and be sad liquidity further, where else would take the Picasso ?
Or, as one distinguished user - to provide advertisement on the forum - buy still life painter of the early 20th century from the Tretyakov Gallery ?

Seriy, I'm selling 10 years on the Internet. I would like to voice some thoughts - cast in granite, so to speak . Dialogue is possible , but try to think through the idea , if you want to refute the thesis .

Seriy 03.12.2011 22:51

artcol, then I'm your idea until I realized, can understand something of the extension.

K-Maler 03.12.2011 23:47

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Сообщение от artcol; 1876181"
internet - a weapon (developed by DARPA), a weapon with the prefix meta, and in the application of interest to us (me) the economic aspect of it - is the capture and retention (control) markets through totalization - the monopolization of information space on a purely "market" principles. Who fully possesses these weapons - that will receive major benefits of owning it and using it .

artcol, you raised a very important topic. Please share with us the observations of all aspects and features of the market on the Internet. This was much talk among artists and ... do not trust it, too virtual , space ...

artcol 05.12.2011 07:46

Internet and artist
 
Internet makes it possible to reduce the number of intermediaries, or do none at all, and thus redistribute some income to a previously-appropriated an intermediary for the benefit of the manufacturer. Artists, as producers on the art market, expect the same thing happen to them. However, it should not count, and here's why: This statement mainly concerns the mass (factory) production with standardized properties than a work of art, often existing in a single copy is not. In addition, often the main value of works of art carry his intangible property: prestige, cultural and symbolic dimension, etc. To this cost has been estimated, there are infrastructure, to-I is closely associated with "material production" and it serves - it's museums, galleries, dealers, press, etc. Nothing material they produce, except for an additional cost, which sometimes gives rise to accusations of their speculative nature, the e-shot to the fact that this infrastructure, as well as artist-producer spends investing (ie investing), including and real money.
In addition, reducing the number of intermediaries, the Internet and reduces the threshold of entering the market, thereby creating a more competitive environment with all its consequences, such as the price dumping, attempts to intensify the effect of hand (artisanal) production, etc.

Thus, in my view, the Internet makes little difference in the relationship the artist - the mediator - the buyer, although the artist and there is a large degree of freedom through new versions of the presence in the market. Sample output of the artist on the market and the existence of it without intermediaries, but they are few in number, and due to lack of alternatives, rather than its presence.

mihailovoh 05.12.2011 11:40

artcol,
 Agree " that little change in the relationship artist - buyer - broker ." Disagree " as a dumping price ..." rather the contrary. wrap prices. on opredelennnoe names.
 Glavnoe.chto provides Internet and informed involvement by weight as a powerful influence. such as from exposure to psychology and ilyuzornost attractiveness.
 Ponyatno.chto simplified purchase ( but it increases the risk of fraud and at the same time repeatedly reduced liability of the seller )


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