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NATA NOVA 30.09.2011 16:49

Polishing "fish bone" (?) Pohitonova
 
In a remarkable intervyu miniaturist Ivan Pohitonova flashed mention of the fact that he was a plate of lemon and mahogany " fish bone ".
Began to search . I found other stories , but there are already " fish bone " polished " dried up painting ."
 Who can clarify the " fish bone "?
Maybe it's " freedom of translation" ? can he had in mind " fish glue "?
And what kind of mastic ospolzoval it as a primer ? In some sources , " golden ", otherwise "dark " ..
 With gratitude and look forward to thoughts esteemed experts.

Кирилл Сызранский 30.09.2011 17:27

Previously, gold polished icons bear or boar tusk, so still a classic form of "cloves" (a tool made of agate) and now resembles boar tusk.

And walrus tusks may have used, but in the old ivory called "fish tooth".

olnev 30.09.2011 22:31

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Cyril correctly noted.

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Of the old Russian speech reached us in scanty number of revolutions, which should not be understood straightforwardly.

3.
I myself have not seen this, again, I think Cyril rights.

NATA NOVA 30.09.2011 22:37

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1790533"
ivory

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1790533"
boar's tusk like now .

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Сообщение от olnev; 1790723"
that should not be understood straightforwardly .

When I first read about " polishing fish bone ," recalled bone instruments used in the department of artistic treatment of the skin ( which is 10-15 cm long, 3-4 wide, 5-10mm thick ivory ..- it can and is called " ivory "?

Pecheneg 01.10.2011 10:27

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1790533)
in the old ivory called "fish tooth".

I want to add to the legend that there are still professional jargon, understandable only in the circle of specialists.

NATA NOVA 01.10.2011 10:42

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Сообщение от Pecheneg (Сообщение 1791063)
I would add to the legend that there is professional jargon, understandable only in the circle of specialists.


Pecheneg, of course, probably explained by this and and inconsistencies and misunderstanding.
Need to contact the poster.

Sandro 05.10.2011 22:19

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1790533)
used gold on the icons in the process of gilding polished bear or boar tusk , so still a classic form of " cloves " (a tool made ​​of agate ) and now resembles boar tusk .
And walrus tusks may have used, but in the old ivory called "fish tooth ".

Constantine is right , only that our restorer confirmed that fish bone is a walrus tusk , it is the least anti-static , on this and used before

NATA NOVA 06.10.2011 08:38

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Сообщение от Sandro; 1795593"
it is the least anti-static ,

And how this property ( antistatic ) affects the quality ( polished boards , or painting )?

Pro - gilding process understand ..

Maybe just " out of habit ?" Those that already were at hand , especially if you are familiar with the instrument and he (the tool ), a well established ?

olnev 12.10.2011 23:40

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1796173)
And how is this property (antistatic) affects the quality (polished boards or painting)?


About the process of gilding, I understand ..


Does not stick out of the air dust, pieces of susalki, grains of sand.
And if you will stick by polishing will be scratched.

NATA NOVA 02.04.2012 13:18

An interesting message was received from Eugene Krotov.
The report advised that the "fish bone" is called palatal bones of sea carp.
Quote from the report:

... "I do not think it had a tusk of a walrus because of (an article on a bone, walrus tusk, and similar animals known as sea fish tooth or bone), while at the same time, the palatine bone, Sparidae (sea bream) it is used for polishing - it turns silky shine, though, there is no specification that this is used in painting. as it is unlikely that Pokhitonov would handle the bone plates to the letter - there is absolutely no need to level the ground in front of the plane (I heard somewhere that he was primed dammarnoy resin (mastic) - that is, roughly speaking, did something like lacquer ground (and it gives the best connection to the paint layer to the substrate). than glued to the ground, I do not know. maybe you find what you are- else about it, it will be interesting to hear. "

So welcome to the news on technology polishing a fish bone.
Now this "Sparidae" find somewhere ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Pictures of sea carp:
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