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любитель искусства 13.04.2011 13:02

What to do?
 
Can you please tell how to be in this situation.
2002. Judge G. (signature of K. is also present) provide a conclusion to the 2 of a very famous artist. "No signature, no authorship beyond doubt." Work "may be of interest to the museum collection." Well, all the rest, as usual.
Needed money, decided to sell the paintings. A potential buyer turned to acts of examination the expert G., who said that yes, it's her opinion, but it concluded as early as 2002 that the works were written by a student of the famous painter, as after the issuance of expertise <! - ~ 3 ~ - "In a telephone conversation the owner of the work reported.
But allow me to review acts signed by her there, and perhaps a vague idea that their work will be sold under a very large sum she could be. <!--~ 10 "->
Now she apologized for the error came out, but said that nearly a decade waiting for that for her to come with it.
The situation is as follows:
Art dealer "could not remember who work redeemed (for a considerable sum, I note), many years have passed ..."
Judge G. "does not remember who calls back that Oshibochka out." Though not in the document name, who brought them. Burned, apparently?
Or somehow cover the fraudster. But they then all is well.

 And I like to be?

Михалыч 13.04.2011 13:10

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Сообщение от lover of art (Сообщение 1594751)
 
And I like to be?

And this is despite what you want.

любитель искусства 13.04.2011 13:25

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Сообщение от Mihalich (Сообщение 1594773)
And this is despite what you want.

Good question.
I want to return the money.

Konstantin 13.04.2011 16:00

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Сообщение от lover of art (Сообщение 1594751)
need money, decided to sell the paintings.

And you in this thread where in there?
Sami gave the picture for review Judge G.?
Or bought with examinations and did not recheck?

Look in PM.

Artem 13.04.2011 18:36

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Сообщение от lover of art (Сообщение 1594751)
Now she apologized for the error came out, but said that nearly a decade waiting for that for her to come with it.
The situation is as follows:
Art dealer "could not remember who work redeemed (for a considerable sum, I note), many years have passed ..."
Judge G. "does not remember who calls back that Oshibochka out." Though not in the document name, who brought them. Burned, apparently?
Or somehow cover the fraudster. But they then all is well.

And I like to be?

Dear art lover.

All you have to be written all the time. This is the classic version. But, unfortunately, you're not the first who finds himself in this situation. Much has been written about it here as Article - "Today the situation with the expertise caused even more damage than theft» http://antikvar.ua/publications/1822 and much discussed, including here. Subject - Experts on cultural values. Can we trust the experts and how ...

All of these symptoms, talk about one, about what you think ...
If there is interest - propose to continue dialogue on this topic ...- will write questions, I will be glad at least something to help you. Good luck!
Can be in a personal ... As you wish ...
Sincerely, Artem

I'm on the forum have already raised this issue ... My friend had exactly the same situation.
read the topic - Experts on cultural values. Can we trust the experts and how? (1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page)

любитель искусства 13.04.2011 21:30

I was the final link - bought a painting from a famous broker you trust. Examination was fresh , all rank - rank .
Of course , it is unpleasant , when bred for money , but they suffer more from the situation itself. Experts , we are forced to trust , you can count on one hand . And they feel their impunity . " I am aged and not afraid of anything , " said G. recently someone .

Konstantin 13.04.2011 22:24

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Сообщение от "art lover, 1594751
that the works were written by a student of the famous artist

So the blind it is difficult to advise something.

Variants seen two:

- Raise the maximum scandal.
To do this, right here and now to name all the names and so forth.

- Make a re-examination in another place.

redbor 13.04.2011 22:37

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Сообщение от lover of art ; 1595251"
" I am aged and not afraid of anything , " said G. recently someone .

And you do not have the right to intimidate . You have asked for her expertise ? None . Money she paid ? No ...
What claims ?
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Сообщение от lover of art (Сообщение 1595251)
I was the final link - bought the painting from a famous broker you trust. Examination was fresh , all rank - rank .

Definitely - the seller , he sold you a picture and confirmed the picture quality of this examination .
If the goods sold does not match declared the sale of the characteristics
 The seller must refund you .

 The seller returns the money , takes a picture with the experts he understands ... or with the previous vendor ( if they are not a company )

lazycat 13.04.2011 22:58

art lover,

Artem


Contact me via private messages, there is something to discuss.
;)


Konstantin


The scandal could and should raise in other ways.
Because there is - spit in the eye, tell God's dew.

Artem 13.04.2011 23:27

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1595293)
- Raise the maximum scandal . To do this, right here and now to name all the names and so on .

This is one of the simplest and most effective options , but considering all the sophistication and resourcefulness of such experts . Therefore , it is a very delicate matter and requires a hundred percent guarantee of success ...
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Сообщение от lazycat; 1595323 "
Because there is - spit in the eye , tell God's dew .

Here I am with you totally agree , my dear lazycat


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