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sportsmen 18.02.2011 10:10

Antiquarian auction of the Year in Gelos, 02/26/2011
 
February 26, Gelos auction will take place on the book of the year.

Prices - crazy. :eek:

Exhibited a very rare editions: lifetime editions of the classics, Russian avant-garde, etc. Prices ekstimeytov, of course, enormous. Forced to admit the fact that the price of any rare books very strongly growing from year to year. And now sometimes be found in Gelos the books 2.3 years ago there being sold much cheaper or no demand. And the price of Russian avant-garde, which a year ago seemed to be "huge" at current prices already appear to be even quite "normal."

Main lot to be letter Bonaparte to his wife Josephine, with a starting price of 3.5 million rubles. For some reason it is very suspicious of these letters, especially with the description: " The letter has never been published. " and " expertise GMM 2005 ".

Мимопроходил 18.02.2011 11:43

As for the avant-garde will not say, but, for example, "Detailed Dictionary of Russian engraved portrait," Rovinsky in 4 volumes, in my opinion, completely loyal to estimate. Recently I was searching for such a package and Save more serious numbers were called.
And then, prices are rising, in my view, such as virtual. The figures appear all the above, as with any of the booksellers did not talk - real sales at normal prices not enough to swear by. In their view, the books in sales sagged more serious paintings. Good luck!

sportsmen 18.02.2011 13:04

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil (Сообщение 1532061)
And then, prices are rising, in my view, such as virtual. The figures appear all the above, as with any of the booksellers did not talk - real sales at normal prices not enough to swear by. In their view, the books in sales sagged more serious paintings. Good luck!

I think that complaining about the hard life and terrible sales, it's corporate identity booksellers. ;) "Which of them do not ask, so be sure will complain about his hard life, as all the horrible, what prices scanty as no one buys. And then once you find out that one of the mourners bought a flat in Moscow, the other bought a hacienda in Bulgaria on the beach, the third from November to April bezvylazno lives in Thailand and so on.

Previously, 5 years ago, comes to the book-auction Gelos, and there in the hall a dozen gray-haired old men, second-hand bookshops in jeans participate in the auction. And now, glyanesh, very solid audience, many young people, the excitement.

According to my scant data, in recent years, many have their own capital to invest in the book. Easily explained why:
- They will always be the price as this "art without continuity" (rating pictures and now paint, expensive jewelry and doing. A book era ended in the early 20 th century)
- Its not possible to forge (as opposed to paintings, gold, jewelry)
- They are easy to store and hide (as opposed to those same pictures), they are safe from the standpoint of theft (burglar grabbed a picture off the wall or bryuliki from the box, but not the library);
- Easy to move.

Мимопроходил 18.02.2011 14:37

And according to my observations, more or less sold only "Rarick and pontovitye publications and multi-volume in a suite. And at prices that are far from the pre-crisis. Just last week he had witnessed the sale of three editions of 17 th century half of the prices start 2008go (at most one of these publications is, but at those prices is not ready to leave). Just used books, coupled with marked advantages you have a number of inherent disadvantages:
- Book a whimsical investment property, any interference can be irreparable. Tore off the page - you lose half the price.
- Books are valuable for far smaller audience. Interesting picture can buy and do not judge, only for the "beauty". Rare edition is valuable only for those who know its rarity.
- Customers pictures are proud of their singularity, uniqueness. In the book of the general public confused mass, circulation. (Painting - I have one book at a friend-of Viti may be exactly the same).

I write from the perspective of bolshistvo himself to books'm trembling. All the best!

sportsmen 18.02.2011 16:05

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil (Сообщение 1532361)
And according to my observations, more or less are sold "Rarick and pontovitye and multi-volume edition in a suite.

And not only. For example, the first, single, lifetime editions that every year more and more gaining price. Vanguard of the more expensive from year to year.

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil (Сообщение 1532361)
 And at prices that are far from the pre-crisis.

is absolutely on the contrary, I say with all responsibility and reputation! We have sold in those pre-crisis times a lot of things good, and at such prices, so do not hurt yourself. Then it was an adequate price. And now, sigh: Ah, if you knew what the price will be a few years ... :rolleyes:

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Just last week he had witnessed the sale of three editions of 17 th century half of the prices start 2008go (at most one of these publications is, but at those prices is not ready to leave).

You mean foreign literature? :rolleyes:

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Just used books, coupled with marked advantages you have a number of inherent disadvantages:
- Book a whimsical investment property, any interference can be irreparable. Tore off the page - you lose half the price.

Well, of course, too - half the price. " ;) "And if two pages out of touch - so the price is that it be cheaper to book Dontsova the subway? ;)

In fact, this is a subjective measure. If you buy a car, the price could throw because of defects. If this thing - a rarity, sometimes for such a thing, even in the most terrible condition, ready to shell out any money. From our experience, I have never seen such a buyer who would be with a magnifying glass looking for all the shortcomings, and then would have said about the claims in a 50%discount. And if that happens I'm not talking taking this thing and leave.

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- Books are valuable for far smaller audience.

This is a very controversial issue. :shy:

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Interesting picture can buy and do not judge, only for the "beauty".

So "for the beauty of" buying modern art, only in order to furnish the interior of the apartment or house.

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Rare edition is valuable only for those who know its rarity.

Yeah, and rare paintings are valuable for any MarIvanovny from the street, which is "beauty" is ready to shell out huge amounts of money ;)

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- Customers pictures are proud of their singularity, uniqueness.

It rather refers to the cream of society who are ready to part with huge amounts of money just to get home now a very famous artist. 99%of buyers are buying paintings just for the fact that to hang it on the wall as decoration interera.Prichem with massive fraud, there is no guarantee that even buying the world a masterpiece of millions of dollars on Christie's or Sotheby's, tomorrow will be the painting a forgery.

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil (Сообщение 1532361)
 In the book of the general public confused mass, circulation. (Painting - I have one book at a friend-of Viti may be exactly the same).

I do not want to speak for the majority, but the picture is a little-known artist my soul somehow does not warm its uniqueness in a single copy, but the lifetime editions of Russian classics, even very warm.

 
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I write from the perspective of bolshistvo himself to books'm trembling. All the best!

I can see from the minority, even to the books, too, am anxiously. But not complaining.

Мимопроходил 18.02.2011 16:44

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... are you talking about foreign literature? :rolleyes:

"Psalms with vossledovaniem" 42, "Teachings of Ephraim the Syrian and Ava Dorofei" ... What could be more domestic? And about the page ... Themselves are aware of such collectors edition reconcile their almost page by page. That gets lost in this edition prints and one for her market price offer, just half the price ozvuchat. However, it is reassures, snipe everyone, as we know ... Stating from personal experience - a chance to "attach" the picture is higher than the book. Successful sales!

sportsmen 22.02.2011 23:32

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil (Сообщение 1532471)
"Psalms with vossledovaniem" 42, "Teachings of Ephraim the Syrian and Ava Dorofei" ... What could be more domestic? And about the page ... Themselves are aware of such collectors edition reconcile their almost page by page. That gets lost in this edition prints and one for her market price offer, just half the price ozvuchat. However, it is reassures, snipe everyone, as we know ... Stating from personal experience - a chance to "attach" the picture is higher than the book. Successful sales!

Sorry, only yesterday returned to the computer. Vacation in remote places.

Dear Mimoprohodil. So with this and we had to start and what is bad are the church books. In the news no no, they never had a demand, and unlikely in the future will be.

As for the paging test, then there is nothing unique to say it is impossible. When the buyer is convinced that there is nothing better, he will not buy in the future, he will even agree to buy a book with missing pages, defects in terrible condition and so forth. Than not buy anything. But if this book is not a rarity, and it can be bought in many places, then, indeed, the buyer will look for a better option, since the market is an offer to sell.

sportsmen 01.03.2011 12:18

The auction ended, sold about 75%of all lots. The remaining 25%of the books were very much overstated, with little or no chance to sell what was originally understood. Recommend to watch the prices of lots of care.

Surprisingly, it took over 4 million letters of Napoleon, have never been seen. Rovinsky flew over 140 million, which is much more expensive than even the current market opportunities.

Again I say with all Liability - the market of rare books from year to year is very much coming up.


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