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tchaika 24.01.2011 12:35

Money - people - art
 
"Today's economic prosperity proclaimed the ideal of human development. But, according to John Gray, can lead to degradation of civilization. Solzhenitsyn wrote that material success has overtaken the need for spiritual development. ... Culture determines the state form.

Alienation of money from an entity - it is a victory of the market. Alienation of money from the arts has led to what is today a pickled shark can be sold for 13 million - as a masterpiece. People do not buy artwork, and invest in them. Andy Warhol does not hang on the wall, and investment. The buyer knows that it is a thing of doubtful artistic value, but he paid for it 10 million and three years later, this garbage will cost 12 ... Damien Hirst - is the author of the most expensive canned food in the world "- Andrei Konchalovsky.

artcol 24.01.2011 13:26

Money - people - art - Reasoner

tchaika 24.01.2011 14:25

Damien Hirst: "It is much harder to create a good product when you have money. When you do not, you become much more inventive, that showed Van Gogh."


Andrei Konchalovsky: "The world came to tough market relations. Unfortunately, the art has turned into a commodity to commodity. Throughout the world, the art becomes a matter of fashion rather than question the relationship of personality to the world, her search for answers to life's questions. The audience goes to exhibition in order to boast of, not to admire some pickled shark by Damien Hirst, God forbid, to see her in a terrible dream. A man reads a book, because the mass media are told: it must be read. The music has ceased to be music to the ears and became the music for the feet. How long have you listened to a contemporary symphony of talent? "A modern opera listen - your ears wilt. But that's okay, because Western civilization is coming to an end. We omit in the era of barbarism, when people can spend millions of dollars on a pickled shark .

"A generation of people who went to the museums to enjoy art without asking how much it costs, is over. We are the last. Next generation primarily interested in - how much it costs. The museums of contemporary art exhibits can be worth 10-15 million dollars , but no artistic value, they do not have. When I see works of Andy Warhol paintings in the museum are exhibited, along with Michelangelo, I am simply ashamed. In order to understand that the work of Warhol - not art, do not need long to think. It's not an artist, he he has not done anything with his hands. Just call and order the thing to do. All of his work - punching. All that is gone, signed by Andy Warhol, produced the others. His work can be called a design, but no paintings.

To draw a "black box" Excellence is not necessary, needed just an idea. Technology has left the art. The main value of art was not the beauty and the scandal. Many contemporary artists do not know how to draw. Someone from the creators of modern oppression hands boards and pieces of iron. But the so-called conceptual art does not express that to me in art - the main thing. For me art is important to express the sensual pleasure of seeing forms of nature. Painting - a sensual pleasure from the beauty. What's more important - individual vision, the understanding that no one else sees, will do. Marinate the shark, or take a picture of Marilyn Monroe may be arbitrary. This concept, which is presented as art, but it's not art. A huge amount of money to pay for such concepts are very cunning dealers, taking advantage of darkness and ignorance of modern capitalist class. "

Posav 24.01.2011 20:32

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Сообщение от "tchaika (Сообщение 1488191)
Painting - a sensual pleasure from the beauty

Say, not only enjoying the aim of art, and the rest is correct.

Well, what have fought for it and ran.
Capitalism is not a universal fraternization, equality and justice.
Capitalism is a jungle where the strong eat the weak.

Toinen 24.01.2011 20:40

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 1489191)
jungle where the strong eat the weak.


Natural selection is called!

Posav 25.01.2011 11:21

In the view of economists, now formed dual economy. "The world is divided into two blocks - on plutonomiku and all the other" - write analysts Citigroup. For plutonomiki no "to U.S. consumers" or "Russian consumers", and is numerically small affluent consumers, who account for a huge share of income and consumption. Crisis, writes Freeland, has created fears that "we live not just in plutonomike, but also for the plutocracy, where the wealthy have disproportionate political influence, guided by narrow self-interested motives and callous, indifferent to everything outside of their economic" bubble. "

According to the author at the World Economic Forum in Davos elite of the first thing to discuss how she should survive: to stifle dissent or to share your wealth?

Source: The Sunday Times

artcol 25.01.2011 11:30

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 1489191)
Capitalism is a jungle where the strong eat the weak.

This kiplingovskaya metaphor is no longer universal.

Posav 25.01.2011 12:04

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1490681)
This kiplingovskaya metaphor is not universal.


Yes, there were options.
Why eat when you can get themselves to work for candy wrappers.

Сергей Дородный 25.01.2011 13:03

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 1490711)
Yes, there were options.
Why eat when you can get themselves to work for candy wrappers.


Well at least more convenient wrappers shells :D

Posav 25.01.2011 13:23

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Сообщение от Sergei burly, 1490781
Well, at least more convenient wrappers shells :D

Shells, amber, gold, diamonds ...
they do not print as candy wrappers, so wrappers easier.


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