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SergeiSK 06.07.2009 14:34

A fake Russian avant-garde quantitatively exceeded the original
 
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Quantity traded imitations of works by Russian avant-garde artists exceeded the number of originals. To such conclusion journalists publications ARTnews, which is July 7, 2009 will publish a report on the status of the Russian avant-garde in art market. Announcement of the material gives July 6 newspaper The New York Times.
Employees ARTnews in six months were asked art historians, art dealers, buyers in the United States, Russia, Germany, France and Spain. The report argues that many students of European galleries and auction houses paintings attributed to Vasily Kandinsky, Kazimir Malevich, Mikhail Larionov and other artists certified by the analysis of public museums, but the originals while they are not. Most museums certify the authenticity of the paintings with unclear origin: for example, they emerged from a previously unknown private collections or were at one time the KGB confiscated.
The publication cites a report Infox.ru ARTnews: "Russia's buyers, who came to the market, its appearance caused a wave of imitations, which is much bigger than the production of fakes in the first half of 1990."
No figures on the number of counterfeit or examples of deals with fakes or Infox.ru, neither The New York Times does not lead.
(Lenta.ru)

Konstantin 06.07.2009 15:52

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There are no figures on the number of counterfeit or examples of deals with fakes or Infox.ru, neither The New York Times does not lead
Well, then it can be safely described as ochernitelsvo. Again, as in the song "Somebody somewhere in our times ...". We here in Russia are not afraid of their indicators, and they then? Would be called names and galleries implicated once came from.

Vladimir 06.07.2009 16:42

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 461516)
People ARTnews in six months were asked art historians, art dealers, buyers in the U.S., Russia, Germany, France and Spain.

I will not dispute the findings (the abundance of fakes under the avant-garde - the discovery of America when reinventing the wheel), but I was basically confused by this technique. Based on personal experience. When it comes to polls gallerists, then specific information has to pull ticks. Well, with rare exceptions. Knowledge and forecasts do not like to share - everyone thinks that it has secret knowledge. Common words - please, but the frank opinions and views - it does not work. And then I would like to look at these issues. Type "How many times in the past six months, you brought a fake avant-garde?" or "Do you have oschuschueniya that the number of fakes vanguard equaled the number of originals?". Summer, few events, so remember the strange theme. AI, incidentally, has long warned that collecting avant-garde - is the highest league competence, exercise only for experienced people. Beginners in this subject include snaskoku not.

Кирилл Сызранский 06.07.2009 16:50

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 462326)
AI, incidentally, has long warned that collecting avant-garde - is the highest league competence, exercise only for experienced people. Beginners in this subject include snaskoku not.

But something you can talk? : D

spigo 06.07.2009 20:58

I can cite their own statistics Zverev: examination can take a job of 20, another may receive conditional status "Zverev, and stand in line to receive detention for an indefinite period (from one year to 30 years)

SergeiSK 06.07.2009 21:08

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Here are four work K.L.Boguslavskoy-Puni. Where fake (s)?

Игорь Гурьев 07.07.2009 15:22

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 462946)
Here are four work K.L.Boguslavskoy-Puni. Where fake (and)?

The left-most.

In general, all may be fakes "on".
Because the fake is not so difficult.

SergeiSK 07.07.2009 21:50

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 464456)
And in general all be fakes "on the subject.
Because the fake is not so difficult.

I agree with you. Counterfeits are the first and last. The second and third of the dispute. The third belongs to me. Drove for examination. Judge X thinks it is a fake, an expert Y, believes that there is. Since they work in different expert institutions, it was a chance to get the expertise of at least one of them. But communicated by phone, and left everyone in his opinion, the paper nevertheless decided not to give. Both are similar in the opinion that written work on really old paper that meets the specified period (1920). This torn pages (turnover) from an old book or encyclopedia. Like on ornithology, if not mistaken. And this work has remained so to say "conditionally Boguslavska-Puni". So much for the Russian avant-garde.

K-Maler 08.07.2009 01:10

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 465476)
The second and third of the dispute.

Interesting. Not many have seen her work, but "Lilac" considered it would be true, here's why: this is not a very simple theme for forgery, it must somehow feel her. At that time she was with many related ... and have a feeling this regard. Then there is the "internal whirlwind, all lines are not random, there is a sense of archaic, pagan ...
Another look: color complex, thoughtful ... some lines today do not think, in a sense, echoes similar themes in Goncharova. That figure (third) controversial, too grotesque ...

Кирилл Сызранский 08.07.2009 01:36

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 465646)
resonates with similar themes have Goncharova.

And I said it. Just remembered Goncharova.


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