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Евгений 28.10.2010 07:16

A striking example of the idiocy of the law on import or export of cultural property
 
This is possible only in Russia .. when the law passed even when Stalin, just a terrible case. (EA)
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American student was given 3 years in a colony for 2 rubles coinage of 1899 and 1924
22.10.2010 18:13
A student from the United States was sentenced in Rostov-on-Don to 3 years in prison for attempting to export two rubles in 1899 and 1924 coinage, said in a statement published on the website of South transport prosecutor's office.
25-year-old U.S. citizen, a native of Ukraine Evgeny Kravtsov, was arrested July 20 in the course of customs control and customs clearance for international flight passengers № 3201 "Rostov-na-Donu - Frankfurt. In his luggage, among other things have been discovered 1 Ruble 1899 (Russian empire), and 1 ruble 1924 (USSR). According to expert help for these coins are the cultural values and are subject to the law of the Russian Federation "On export and import of cultural values."
With respect to Kravtsova criminal proceedings were instituted on the grounds of a crime under part 2, Art. 188 of the Criminal Code (smuggling). The court sentenced him to 3 years imprisonment to be served in a penal colony.

uriart 28.10.2010 08:19

Eugene, probably custom demanded money from the guy and he refused them.

For this, and referred the case to court.

Complete idiocy!

And a complete mess!

artcol 28.10.2010 10:49

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 1348701)
Eugene, probably custom demanded money from the guy and he refused them.

For this, and referred the case to court.

Complete idiocy!

And a complete mess!

It is not idiocy, it is cannibalism.

Pecheneg 28.10.2010 23:10

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Сообщение от Eugene; 1348671"
just a terrible case.

It's not a terrible case ... this is the norm. Norma Russian - Ukrainian relations in the region premescheniya material has the slightest relevance to the story.
My friend took off with Russian border guards train for bringing 2 dozen coins in Russia 18-19. and put on two months in KPZ.Konchilos it so that the matter was hushed up for 15tys. greens and Confiscated coins.

Евгений 29.10.2010 07:12

Pecheneg, where you read that Russia's accession to the WTO, the laws on the movement of cultural property, will have to lead to the European standards .. we will wait, maybe this will end soon .. debilizm the meantime, you are right
a complete mess ..

Pecheneg 29.10.2010 11:41

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 1350571)
maybe this debilizm soon come to an end.

Hardly ... you must first join ... And then our lawyers still that realties head and share ..
Last year, calling on the Russian Gelos ask ..
: "Can I buy a favorite icon"
"Yes, you can"
"A delivery"
"Pickup"
"You give permits for export"
"No, as you want, and export"
"And if the border povyazhut"
"Your Problems"



Here is the dialogue ...

Selene 29.10.2010 18:21

Boys of NCA, which takes out old, out-of-treatment denyushki could ask for decency and in the host country that is needed for clearance. From Egypt, for example, seashells nezya export, and from India - are in circulation rupees. Limitations exist in every country. Why does a respected community sympathizes with the criminals-smuggler - it is not clear. According to the experience of working with customs officials know that no smoke without fire, in such cases usually does not happen. If closed for 3 years for a relatively minor violation, it most likely is not the first case was infa on molchonku and before.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.10.2010 19:05

Creaking, but I have to agree with Selene, he committed a crime.

The extent of the punishment fault-I can not judge.
We have and give pedestrians a ubiychtvo uchlovno, but that's another topic already.

dedulya37 29.10.2010 19:06

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Сообщение от Selene (Сообщение 1352111)
Why does a respected community sympathizes with the criminals-smuggler - it is not clear.


Because too much distrust of our restrictive bodies.

Paraphrasing Grossman, painfully, all these "authorities" We are tired because of their restrictive rules.
:mad:

Кирилл Сызранский 29.10.2010 19:08

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1352241)
Because too much distrust of our restrictive bodies.
Paraphrasing Grossman, painfully, all these "authorities" We are tired because of their restrictive rules. :mad:

"Restrictive rules" are laws in the hands of the legislator, and his chosen citizens.
Do not go to the polls, do not require then with his deputy to carry out their direct duties, we are the "rules".

Selene 29.10.2010 19:32

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1352231)
creak, but I have to agree with Selene, he committed a crime.
The extent of the punishment fault-I can not judge. We have the killing pedestrians given suspended sentences or even delay in 14 years but that is another topic already.

Dear Mr. Syzran (hopefully, this treatment is appropriate?: Shy :) "Why grind your heart? Malets KNEW THAT THE REMOVAL!
After all the money he could not get a delivery at the store. hence, acquired specifically, with the purpose of exportation. If the guy has been blessed (we assume that the IQ of amerikosskih Studios is very low), it would be shown at customs denyushki would naively asked about whether we can export. So after all - not in things zanykal!
Another issue: you are often at the customs shmonayut? Your friends? I am sure that is rare. Customs officers are taught to identify people by their appearance, that something illegal being taken (and these people know that being taken illegally). In addition, issued guidance on specific people.

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1352241)
Because too much distrust of our restrictive bodies.
Paraphrasing Grossman, painfully, all these "authorities" We are tired because of their restrictive rules. :mad:

I think that as a very intelligent person, you realize that this forced action? 20-and 90-s heritage in our culture for a long time.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.10.2010 19:39

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Сообщение от Selene (Сообщение 1352461)
Why did squeak heart?

Sorry Maltsev, yet 3 years old.

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Сообщение от Selene (Сообщение 1352461)
Another issue: you are often at the customs shmonayut?

Now there is, of course, but in the 90-crossing our borders back on the car happened, until I started with customs officials at crossing points just to talk.
Then there was another problem, do not let go until you lash out or do not hear answers. :D

korosteloff 29.10.2010 20:14

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1352231)
creak, but I have to agree with Selene, he committed a crime.
The extent of the punishment fault-I can not judge. We have the killing pedestrians give a suspended sentence or even a delay of 14 years, but that's another topic already.

Catch, of course. And with a purpose. The term was given, probably because not agree to spy on us. Or, to be exchanged for someone else.

uriart 29.10.2010 20:26

korosteloff, thanks for the revelation!

artcol 29.10.2010 21:44

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Сообщение от korosteloff (Сообщение 1352671)
Or, to be exchanged for someone else.

MB, and such.
Recently passed the information that the U.S. had been convicted of fraud a few of our students.


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