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NATA NOVA 24.09.2010 10:08

Konyunkturnost, success, conformity (checking dictionaries)
 
So that other threads do not offtopic, all definitions, misunderstanding and reconciliation dictionaries offer to find out here ..

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1291311)
probably by the success in the art to understand correctly - fame. Then head bristling in market conditions, is now to draw a naked prime minister or president, and almost does not matter what quality - it immediately becomes known. It turns out that the easiest way to achieve fame is a scandal. Fucking profound observation. And once poboku: quality, fresh look reflect the world, content in the end. Need for fame and scandal situation.
     


dedulya37 24.09.2010 12:48

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1291282)
It turns out that the easiest way to achieve fame is a scandal.
Ofigenno profound observation.
And once poboku: quality, a new look reflecting the world, content in the end.
For the fame needed economic boom and scandal.


So, actually, and began Glazunov.

Konstantin 24.09.2010 13:05

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1291522)
So, actually, and began Glazunov.

Remind me please, what it was about.

dedulya37 24.09.2010 13:27

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1291542)
what it was about.


The exhibition in the arena, followed by a walking legend, that Gorbachev said, "if it is the people, it means he is the people's artist.
Thereafter, he was conferred the National Artist.

Кирилл Сызранский 24.09.2010 13:52

dedulya37, and can recall (as most recently in a neighboring branch of this thing) Laktionova and circumstances preceding the award of the Stalin Prize of 1 degree for the "Letter from the Front".

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1291592)
Exhibition in the arena, followed by a walking legend, that Gorbachev said, "if it is the people, it means he is the people's artist.
Thereafter, he was conferred the National Artist.

Gorbachev was here to see prices to do with it, that exhibition at the Manege was a 79-meter title and artist narhuda USSR was in the 80-m.

Кирилл Сызранский 24.09.2010 14:14

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Konstantin 24.09.2010 14:57

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1291592)
"if it is the people, it means he is the people's artist.
Thereafter, he was conferred the National Artist.

A scandal where?
That's when he began to paint huge paintings with characters including a history of kings?

Кирилл Сызранский 24.09.2010 15:14

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1291802)
That's when he began to paint huge paintings with characters including a history of kings?

A huge picture with the characters in Russian history, "Eternal Russia" in 1988, s /m, 300 × 600.

dedulya37 24.09.2010 16:50

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1291732)
Gorbachev is just here to do with it


You are right, but I was wrong.
For the ninth king reigns in my memory.
:)

Annamain 29.09.2010 01:21

The success and popularity - is the point of view of society. She can talk about as an artist, but maybe not. Today, the tools and technologies of mass media development, so that the artist himself has little value - unless a bright personality (otya with certainly a lot of problems). There are technologies of promotion is the impact on the collective unconscious.

Because now the post-industrial period of development, the product itself has less meaning. And more - promotion ideas, report it to the people - and this is just a technology is. People often himself can not escape from everyday life, and if accidentally pulled out - it is not poimayu what happened. Therefore, the easiest run to the masses the idea of a gap pattern of behavior. This - the usual piarnaya technology. Scandal - one of the options, but in Russia - even more so.

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Promotion through the scandal could be for any artist, but could find himself attachments so that can all play. This artist does not have a chance to adjust to the ready-made taste, pokolku wave of interest created expressly for him.

Konyunkturschik does the same in another way. He uses the wave of interest, which is already there. Look, there is some movement and adjusts ready. Therefore, the scandal he was not particularly needed, and even a hindrance. Much better to cut a welcome and interesting topic, especially since there is less risk, and longer effect.

Fed 29.09.2010 08:50

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Сообщение от "Annamain (Сообщение 1299471)
Because now the post-industrial period of development, the product itself is of less importance. And more - promotion ideas, report it to the people

Actually, no "promotion ideas, and creation of services-quantitatively greater than the creation of goods. Such a "small" and is already juggling a "product has less value in the post-industrial society.

Promotion is a service (for advertising brainwashing of the population). But it is assumed that the population is also a post-industrial, ie, very educated and wealthy.

Posav 29.09.2010 11:53

Vydergnul of articles about the singer's "String":
 That cord when singing about "candidates *** algebra" - that young man, this kid and underground luminary. So they all want, let's burn, Serge. And when the pro Khimki forest - a bastard and mediocrity. And let them not dare to say bad words, and songs from him entirely about tits and ass, horror-horror, it's indecent. A cord between categorically do not care who the mother and jiving. He's such a modern akin: that he sees - and sings about it. Of managers now also sang. About alcohol and drugs. Pro-life, in one word.

And it turns out, in the eyes of our wrestlers with the regime - a crime, equal to the Holocaust. When a person is not even against them, but simply - not for them. In general, for anyone. Because he is, damn it, not left, not right, not United Russia and marshist. He is a musician and an ordinary citizen. And they all want that art was not even a social and political. To actors, musicians, writers do not just write about politics - that they become its subjects. The only problem is that once an artist becomes the subject of politics, he nafig ceases to be an artist. Because it ceases to engage in creative work, starting in place of the agitation and propaganda.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.09.2010 12:28


Dmitry Bykov:
Cord can always hide behind the banter and banter that had a high quality, with accurate hits: annoy excessively zealous environmentalists? And how. I think the most immoderate Shevchuk angered fans, and can well understand people who are annoying pathetic and tragic Shevchuk. That's really all anyone seriously. Power has the right postebatsya? Absolutely. Even porugivaya Shevchuk in telebesede with Kirkorov, he openly mocks it all over Kirkorov. All the fun and recognizable, and the problem in one: Glamour is over, and along with it - and banter, and doublethink. Came a new era of seriousness and pathos, and the cord had not noticed, remaining five years of corporate Courchevel, which is why the attempt to revive the group "Leningrad" makes such a miserable experience. Time, the "Leningrad" Schnur shift time Bickford - late, my friend, drink beer and sing about "big and thick x ... in me." He's already in all, and it has no x ... not fun.

Sometimes, that's okay, the artist does not have to resonate with the times, although it should be replaced by experience - it shows sensitivity, customizing the mental apparatus. The paradox, but those who now seriously struggling with Shevchuk - better sense of aesthetics teens than those who are totally ironic, in the spirit of zero. Number of absurdity turned into money, an ironic lack of participation did not get off, it's time of serious reflection and self-determination, and the heroes of this time - is not a group of Leningrad. Strings on this background - a sad anachronism, and its clip so imprudently praised "suverentsy" - not a moral mistake, and stylistic.

However, as history teaches, stylistic errors, and is the worst. Whoever said filth, yet can cause respect, but the one who farted during a tragic monologue ... Well, what's to discuss? Lost and gone further.

 :D :D :D

here.

Pavel 29.09.2010 14:18

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1291592)
Exhibition in the arena, followed by a walking legend, Gorbachev said, "if it is the people, then it is the people's artist." After that, he was awarded the People's Artist.

At the time, an exhibition in the arena could only ochchen links and Glazunov as did a history cleaner detective. The scandal was then in fact that Glazunov had refused to show because he was not allowed to show this stupid picture of him with the royal tribe, but then allegedly allowed. The people did not go to art but because of curiosity. It was after this exhibition came into use, the term "a la Russia."

Annamain 29.09.2010 18:03

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1299622)
Actually, no "promotion ideas, and create service-quantitatively greater than the creation of goods. Such a "small" and is already juggling a "product has less value in the post-industrial society.

A large share of services - is a consequence of post-inustriala, as well as its sign, but not its qualitative description. Since the postindustrial production of goods negligible cost and virtually all made in third countries, it is best (more profit) sold trash, provided an attractive idea. The best example - the so-called first "Music of the Buddha," and then FM3 Buddha Machine. First it was an empty shell of the MP3 player with a coin glued back with the figure of the Buddha, there are stuck broken headphones and be happy if you please - listen to the silence. This product was originally riveted from the same empty shells found at the dump, and sold at a considerable cost of about $ 35 per unit + shipping. Now the creators of the "product" expanded the range of colors and add music - 9 tunes that you can not stop or delete. Enlighten you can here and here With regard to the cost of a normal player and the ability to download almost any music from the internet ... It's that - the real goods? .. For industrialization is cheating the people. For the post-industrialization - yes, a full-fledged product. 3%were in mat.chast, 97%- on the Soul Plane idea. Incidentally, in the Russian inete says that the provider does not guarantee finding the statues of Buddha in every product. Bugoga.

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promotion is included in the services (as advertising brainwashing of the population). But it is assumed that the population is also a post-industrial, ie, very educated and wealthy.
What, suddenly all the 6-odd billion will be educated and wealthier? Is that in the kingdom of heaven.

In the postindustrial different dynamic: the owners of businesses in udalenku throws, owns the rights and live in krokodillovyh islands, where offshore and heat. Taxes also pay for krokodillovyh. Production shipped to third countries. Since taxes are effectively gone, the States can not afford social. assurance and control, so a minority of post-industrial population (owners) live in urban enclaves, (they are already under construction in 10 years will be very noticeable). The remaining 90%or more - in a cyber-punk big cities and abandoned areas. I do not think that it promotes the formation and viability.
Now about the promotion. There is a small chance that the inhabitants of the enclaves and the truth will be better educated with better taste. But! Laws of the art market in the form as they look today - a collection of elegant speculations. They are designed for escalation. And escalation is based on the fact that this one art object, whatever it may be - known to millions. So - to miss this thought in a million in the Post-Industriale becomes easier and easier. Harder to create the idea that you can PR, than to make the product itself.
It is easy to see that trash-art facility is much easier to create, and then wrap it in many, many layers piarnoy reality. I think the difference between a time-consuming, thought-intensive and technologically-intensive painting of the Renaissance masters and the "handsome man" F.Gonsalesa-Torres (355 pounds blue and white lollipops) are quite obvious. The second - a typical post-industrial, GHM, product :confused: ... MGM.
Yes - probably a product. :eek:


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