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Art Consulting 10.11.2008 15:42

I propose to discuss a law on the import and export
 
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That is one of the areas which should, in my view, organized by the Confederation. For example, propose to amend the law on import-export, which, as recognized by virtually all heavily outdated. I propose to discuss this law and take the initiative to change it. He is at a minimum, should contribute to the creation of a civilized market in Russia.

artcol 10.11.2008 17:08

And specifically what items you do not like?

fross 10.11.2008 21:04

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Сообщение от Art Consulting (Сообщение 101156)
Here is one of the areas which should, in my view, organized by the Confederation. For example, propose to amend the law on import-export, which, as recognized by virtually all heavily outdated. I propose to discuss this law and take the initiative to change it. He is at a minimum, should contribute to the creation of a civilized market in Russia.

Almost all of our professional associations /unions similar to your question ends at the same stage - funding.
  "At whose expense this banquet? Who will pay?" : D

Sandro 10.11.2008 23:27

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Сообщение от fross (Сообщение 101376)
"At whose expense this banquet? Who will pay?" : D

Probably the same as those in Art Consulting disburse all failures recently, they got an important customer, which has banned skip to market serious things, but then he capitalization of the collection's decline. In this Art Consulting and bustle at the forum, especially when the current examination of abuse
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Сообщение от Art Consulting (Сообщение 100916)
Eugene,
I, frankly, always moved by these articles. I often intersect at conferences with representatives of the Confederation and unfortunately, I have never heard of a constructive, open rhetoric, always tiger meat do not report. And all the time appear dubious identity and say that there is no examination, all the experts ignoramuses, assessment nobody does, auctions do not trust, not to insure .... in a word, everything is bad. And it all comes down to that .... just believe me, I'm better than anyone I know everything, my opinion is absolutely no matter, I've been mending stoves and very modest. :-) You know the old parable about a boy who is wrongly several times called for help .. Why would one of you gentlemen do not take the reins of power in the confederation ?:-)


Vladimir 11.11.2008 00:00

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Сообщение от Sandro (Сообщение 101476)
Probably the same as those in Art Consulting disburse all failures recently, they got an important customer, which has banned skip to market serious things, and then he will fall collection's capitalization.

This is some conspiracy theory, do not find?
In general, art consulting came out recently with two important initiatives:
1. Discussion Rules examination antique weapons (that should be interesting to profile the many antique dealers).
2. Discussion of the law on import or export in order to make reasonable offers.

I regret to see that professional discussion is not yet obtained. Criticism, attacks and suspicion "who benefits" - is not working format.
I propose to go a different path. Legal language that we do not wait, This is why they build a conversation on an everyday level and to remember complicated cases from practice, the resolution which prevented bureaucratic insanity. So the question: with what bureaucratic insanity, you come across in the procedure of import-export? And specify: why so hard to bring in Russia and no problems owning purchased in America antique Colt?

fross 11.11.2008 00:30

It would be nice to start and clarifications to existing law to obtain.
1.Srok of the temporary importation
2.Poryadok change the status of the imported goods from temporary import for free circulation.

But I repeat, no funding, further discussion of this remarkable initiative, alas, did not move.

artcol 11.11.2008 01:53

Before we generate and make any suggestions to analyze the existing legislation as a common conceptual TZ (its genesis, roughly speaking), and with the individual parties (comparative analysis, efficiency, compliance with rules and regulations dr.pravovyh acts, etc.).
And already on the basis of the analysis can work out some sort of policy on the law and promoted it.
Traders are unlikely to can. They - the private interest: D

Here OlgaV wrote
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Сообщение от OlgaV (Сообщение 101606)
I would like to draw attention to the fact that the law on import-export, ie in general. And there are items that are contrary to the creation of free-market items iskusstv.Naprimer: ...

And who told you that the state-woo need a free market of art? And in general - the free market?
Etc. throughout the discussion.

artcol 11.11.2008 06:41

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Сообщение от OlgaV (Сообщение 101626)
Artcol,
With all due respect, you have not read more quotes? I actually tried to "analyze the genesis of ..." Art. 9 of the Act.

Why - read. But I do not know. Ban Act, in accordance with the realities of today's time - just an archaic and generally idiotic. Ie minor amendments it is not fundamentally change, and in line with current realities do not lead. The concept of market regulation should be changed, by law it had to write.

And all the regulations, if the officials there, do not hesitate. They are without them and do not step - from their initiatives do not wait: D

Allena 11.11.2008 14:16

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 101616)
Traders unlikely to can. They - the private interest

In my opinion, you are so vain. Traders are not shared in the same plushies and radishes at the market traded. Work competently legitimate benefits to all market participants, including traders, and the state. And who, if not the traders, the best understands the intricacies of the art market? Officials? Ve-ry funny! Yes, of course, the immediate market participants are not clothed in legal terms all their suggestions and comments - but better to have problems actually nobody knows. So in their private interest - that they can work normally, but not to represent one person and all of Laocoon and his sons, and the snake at the same time.

Meister 11.11.2008 14:21

you are in my opinion does not discuss it ... buyers and sellers - this is one party that is just interested in changing the situation ... and have a private interest of the State (customs, Ministry of Culture), which is by no means interested in changing the law because that are fed with this ... on the contrary, they would have even more to tighten the screws, so that more could be ask ...

artcol 11.11.2008 14:55

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 101916)
you in my not discussing it ... buyers and sellers - this is one side that is just interested in changing the situation ... and still have a private interest of the State (customs, Ministry of Culture), which could well not interested in changing the law because they feed from this ... on the contrary, they would have even more to tighten the screws, so that more could ask ...

That's what, and speech. On the one hand - the private interest of market participants, and with another - officials (which is not always mb concluded in money, but always maintaining the status quo).
That is why I asked at the beginning - a fact that some do not like the law, what items? Can do - the whole law is bad and not adequate? And what should be a new law to fit the realities of time? Is it at all? And as it does not infringe on private and corporate and other interests of the bureaucracy, so they gave the green light?

Allena 11.11.2008 14:55

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 101916)
is a special interest in the state (Customs, Ministry of Culture), which is by no means interested in changing the law because they feed from this

I'm not sure ... Officials are human, and not all of them bought-overbought (Well, purely in the abstract:)) So, I think that if arranged among them a survey on the need to change the law of the transparency and consistency, many would agree. Lawlessness is obviously beneficial to small and large intermediaries, which is convenient to fish in troubled waters.

Art Consulting 11.11.2008 14:55

fross,
Everywhere in the world, including us, thank God, to develop or amend legislation attracted community profile, because, just for this community and change the law. You propose to participate in the construction of the house where you live, and not halturku podkidyvayut. It completely voluntary, you do not want no part, if now you all happy in this life. And baseless ban on the export and almost no working procedures for temporary export (for individuals), and the term acquisitive prescription, bloated so that it becomes totally meaningless. At the moment, the development of all these documents, instructed the Higher School of Economics, to discuss the first two rules of the environment, almost no one came, although they tried to initiate a discussion, then I asked for permission to place documents on the forum. If you do not take the initiative, regulations will be without you. If everyone is happy with only one, in fact, sectoral laws, well let it be as it is. But I am sure that this is not quite right you can and should manage the situation themselves, rather than complain about the imperfection of the legislation and the Ministry of Culture, etc. ... Sitting there are the same people and they tend to stew in its pot, and in their community, and each of his pots thinks everything is still to take place beyond his control.

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Allena,
Now we have a unique situation, written documents handed over to the state bodies Graduate School of Economics, to harmonize and adjust from there they will go directly to the Government for approval. And the Graduate School wants to discuss them with the community if the community deems it possible. It's simple, and there is the slightest intrigue :-) I can organize all interested parties, after discussion at the forum, a round table in high school, they will be only too glad.


You decide you need it or not.

fross 11.11.2008 15:27

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Сообщение от Art Consulting (Сообщение 101966)
fross,
Everywhere in the world, including us, thank God, to develop or amend legislation attracted community profile, because, just for this community and change the law. You propose to participate in the construction of the house where you live, and not halturku podkidyvayut. It completely voluntary, you do not want no part, if now you all happy in this life.

Not satisfied with everything, but a lot.:) In particular, I am not satisfied with the attempt to issue an invitation to "speak on the topic" for "the real opportunity to influence" on changes in legislation. I am very likable this forum and I do not think it is a good place for PR shares of commercial firms.

Евгений 11.11.2008 15:32

Art Consulting, Main: abolish VAT and all taxes on imports and vyvoz.Ubrat restrictions on age, 50,100 years, etc. Respect the right of private ownership of antiques.
Should be based on a law that already exists in the EU
not need to reinvent the wheel ...
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