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Маруся 26.04.2010 16:58

The auction is over - long live auction! Your opinion?
 
In general, it is no secret that any, the most beautiful idea, we can "correct" in many ways the organizational, information, etc.
I am pleased that the auction ended with no worse than the other auctions in Moscow (%of sales). Maybe I would like more, but even the fact that it took place, thanks to LCR, - already very good.
Based on the observations that are genuinely surprised - is that some participants did not hesitate to bid in the 1 /2 and even in 1 /3 of the stated starting price.
Lord! This was an auction for the victims of the terrorist attack in Moscow, not in favor of the poor collectors and dealers!
Do not belittle the purpose of the auction, and to embarrass those who gratuitously offered at auction work at the prices in most cases, below the market.

Самвел 26.04.2010 18:28

And what better to sell at a lower price, or markups below does not sell? In this case, the simple answer I have. I propose to set prices very low, I think the auction proschel would be more interesting, and almost all would sell.

Маруся 26.04.2010 20:58

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 1057442)
And what better to sell at a lower price, or the markups below does not sell?

Question moot ...
The prices were too low for most of the works. And not only the artists but also their heirs, and galleries, representing the work. I think all the auction participants started from the charitable purposes.
But in all required measure. What you suggested - more like a dumping and chaos. Paraphrase one participant of the conference or you waited for that you will sell the Van Gogh of 1000 rubles? "
Although, for the little-known artists, perhaps, an opportunity to declare itself on the auction means more than the estimated price. But then - this is their mistake. Probably, it cost them to listen to your advice and install other starting price ...

Peter 26.04.2010 21:22

Lack of connection with the prices occurred because of the unpredictability of pokupatelya.Auktsion was among his good lyudey.Znal to advance, would give a simpler picture and put it in 1000 rubles .<!--~ a ~-->. Nevertheless charity auction sostoyalsya.Ya I think that it brought together many lyudey.Nadeyus that in future such auctions on AI will be able to provide the necessary targeted assistance.

Самвел 26.04.2010 22:14

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 1057632)
What you suggested - more like a dumping and chaos

I do not agree, low prices, would have contributed to the bet, the excitement and the game would be raising their prices to reasonable levels. Comment, markups below should not be, since (I vnimmatelno watched the auction), they nearly destroyed the entire auction. The administration even though belatedly, but to remove them. While the auction was a charity, the passions were no laughing matter.

Маруся 26.04.2010 22:23

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 1057792)
I do not agree, the low prices have contributed to-be part of the bet, the excitement and the game would be raising their prices to reasonable levels.

And I do not agree: at some artists who participated in the auction already has not only reasonable, but the market price level. And it is not part of the bet, no excitement, no other emotional considerations are not able to change.
Others their views I have expressed above.

Peter 26.04.2010 22:36

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 1057812)
And I do not agree: at some artists who participated in the auction already has not only reasonable, but the market price level. And it is not part of the bet, no excitement, no other emotional considerations are not able to change.
Others their views I have expressed above.

Here he had to go two ways, either to anonymous auction startyvymi low prices, where all the work without signatures. involving as wide a auditorii.Libo as it was, but with additional names and big buyers in the form of banks, funds, etc.

Самвел 26.04.2010 22:44

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 1057812)
How do you think would say Tseretelli if he knew that his work, albeit at a charity auction, displayed for 1000 now?

I reported this markups below do not ask dumayu.Mozhno him directly, I think he was, would not mind.

Маруся 26.04.2010 22:50

Peter, with all due respect ...
We have a theme among the thankful appeared Docent. One of those to whom paid my first message. (He did not thank me).
Maybe ask him, if possible, an explanation ...

Konstantin 26.04.2010 23:05

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This was an auction to benefit victims of the terrorist act in Moscow, and not in favor of the poor collectors and dealers!
It was not so sure. Charity was in the range up to 5000 rubles. (Photos as it is strange at first glance) and three large 30 tons 25 tons and 20 tons Everything else was sufficiently progmatichny nature, people bought pictures, but not engaged in charity, so do not bid before, so as not to inflate the price and in the last half hour and even minute. We had to rate cuts at the pictures in the middle of the week, it became clear that they will wait until the last, to buy just for pennies. But now went postauktsionnaya trade, what could we do not expect.

docent 26.04.2010 23:07

Clarifications
 
Well, first, let's start with the fact that the auction rules was a ban on bids below the launch. Moreover, it was not my initiative, and I noticed that the administration had not responded to such removal rates of the relevant communications, decided to participate in the auction.
 Secondly, for example, on 27 February this year under Operation Smile with the support of Christies and a number of banks and consulting firms was carried out charity (even online) auction in which the work Nesterova left to start for $ 5000, and then no one Bidding continued this work on the next day due to the fact that the price was four times less than the market. It does not talk about other jobs, sold for a reasonable price at the auction. In my opinion, the purpose of such auctions, collect as much money as quickly as possible, rather than support the ratings of sales galleries, and, if my bid was accepted, the auction would be collected for a quarter more money right now, not six months later, when there are willing to buy at such prices.
 And by the way, for some reason Buch, except mine, there was no bet? Where have you been?

Маруся 26.04.2010 23:14

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Сообщение от docent (Сообщение 1057972)
that the administration had not responded to these bets

Apparently the administration was busy with something else ...

Peter 26.04.2010 23:19

Admins warned it seems that it is necessary to adhere to launch a number of tsen.Po rates exactly.

Самвел 26.04.2010 23:22

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 1058002)
Apparently the administration was busy with something else.

I think she was taken by you, your comments, in the subject, where they were banned.

Кирилл Сызранский 26.04.2010 23:23

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Сообщение от docent (Сообщение 1057972)
First, start with the fact that the auction rules was a ban on bids below the start.

This is the usual practice of any auction.
And as for online auctions and even more so.
Many prospective buyers are sent to auktsin their rates below the launch.
Sometimes these suggestions auctions react if the lots do not go during the auction, I understand that Star was overstated, and if there was no wish to start.
Normally.


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