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Ninevia 04.03.2010 19:07

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Please help us to evaluate the picture. Brought from Germany in 1947. Signed H. Zatzka.

Mona 04.03.2010 19:13

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Сообщение от Ninevia (Сообщение 962172)
Help, please, rate the picture. Brought from Germany in 1947. Signed H. Zatzka.

You can sign larger сфоткать? And the year ... if it turns out that this is a real job, not a copy, not a fake, then the work can cost quite expensive. About the artist
http://www.hans-zatzka.com/

Кирилл Сызранский 04.03.2010 19:19

Ninevia, unless you do not see that this is a reproduction pasted on cardboard?

sergejnowo 04.03.2010 19:21

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Сообщение от Mona (Сообщение 962192)
You can sign larger сфоткать? if it turns out that this is a real job, not a copy, not a fake, then the work can cost quite expensive

attached ZIP picture is quite decent quality.
This is not original.
Here's to compare, - http://www.kollerauktionen.ch/de/asp...382&saletype =
He has a peculiar style of painting.

Mona 04.03.2010 20:27

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 962202)
Ninevia, unless you do not see that this is a reproduction pasted on cardboard?

Well, somehow I could not assume that the evaluation seriously suggest reproduction on cardboard. Fine by the way can be almost modern. In 40-s really made great reproductions? a quality even more? then the photos were retouched and murky black and white painted top. It is unlikely that one could make a reproduction of cardboard with such a resolution then. This is a modern quality last 15 years with ... and the cost of this $ 1000.
 If this picture is 40 years, how signed copy of the name of a rather famous artist?

In short, remove the frame, сфоткайте canvas side and rear (if it is canvas)
Board immediately make a stand for the pan

sergejnowo 04.03.2010 20:36

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Сообщение от Mona (Сообщение 962472)
In 40-ies really made great reproductions? a quality even more? then the photos were retouched and murky black and white painted top. It is unlikely that one could make a reproduction of cardboard with such a resolution THEN.

You have not confused and do not frighten :D

Mona 04.03.2010 21:18

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 962522)
You have not confused and do not frighten :D

And already scared that I ?:shy: somewhere the owner of the picture missing. Syzran scared. But on a cardboard canvas original - this one. And on cardboard printing, reproduction - is another. We need more and the size - and suddenly it 20x30? such works from this author enough. And also to clarify - this is a reproduction, print or canvas \\ oil. Even the cards of good quality then was not. In any case, such as the premises of the photo

Shl. She looked again. No, it can not be photographic 40 years. At the level of those years are not drawn. At x \\ m like, with the constricted for the second time in a non-native stretcher

Ninevia 04.03.2010 21:33

the fact is that nobody in our family are absolutely incapable of appreciating art, but now, when my grandfather brought back after the war, his wife pasted it on cardboard, I do not know why. peel it, it seems impossible, and whether ... now we are wondering what is .:( "if you will, we are very grateful :)

Yes, I forgot, the size of 75 x 55 cm

Евгений 04.03.2010 22:17

Ninevia, you have one of the types of printed materials: oleograph (from the Latin. Oleum - oil and ... graphy), type of printing reproduction paintings, executed in oils. Was distributed in the 2 nd half of 19. For OA applied multicolored (15-20 colors) way lithographic reproduction of pictures (see Lithography). For more similarity with the works of O. oil painting printed image lacquered and subjected to embossing, which results in an imitation of the surface of the canvas and relief smears of oil paint.
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The price you named the correct 1000-1200 rubles.
Similar lithography discuss very often on the forum. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...261#post798261

sergejnowo 04.03.2010 22:37

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 962732)
was subjected to embossing, which results in an imitation of the surface of the canvas and relief smears of oil paint.

Here is an example of such work.

Ninevia 04.03.2010 22:44

Thank you very much, as it was nice to talk with knowledgeable people :)
become even easier, frankly, that it is of no value :)

Mona 04.03.2010 23:11

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 962732)
Ninevia, you have one of the types of printed materials: oleograph (from the Latin. Oleum - oil and ... graphy), type of printing reproduction paintings, executed in oils. Was distributed in the 2 nd half of the 19 VA-early 20 th century. For OA used polychromatic (15-20 colors) way lithographic reproduction paintings. For more similarity with the works of O. oil painting printed image lacquered and subjected to embossing, which results in an imitation of the surface of the canvas and relief smears of oil paint.
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The price you named the correct 1000-1200 rubles.
Similar lithography discuss very often on the forum. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...261#post798261
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Read the forum, write to "Search" the floor lithography-Display the message, you will lots of information on this topic.

I do not know ... is nice if a man so sure ... However, why was oleograph stick to plywood? but if the picture was cut from the stretcher, or simply removed, and the people in the painting did not understand, then nothing else you can imagine how easily the plywood stick. Frankly to me at the very bottom picture on the links very suspicious old canvas edge naklennogo recalls. I do not dare say with confidence that this oleograph. Especially if brought from Germany. If brought from Syzran - I would sure like
Moreover, again picture quality when oleographs unimportant, but here in the first picture shows a very glamorous, even in these times

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 962762)
Here is an example of such work.

This is a modern printing? and 40=ies you have an example? coarseness counterfeits strokes visible a mile away. In this picture, I do not see this

sergejnowo 04.03.2010 23:44

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Сообщение от Mona (Сообщение 962832)
If it was brought from Syzran - I would sure like

and what is there Syzran such oleografichnogo?
You do not confuse oleograph and oligophrenia ?:D

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Сообщение от Mona (Сообщение 962832)
This is a modern printing? and 40 = ies you have an example?

so I showed the work of this time, more precisely in 1932.
Did the structure and color of cardboard, the back side, not visible?
Yes, and the old German font 30-40x on the label.

Mona 05.03.2010 06:30

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 962902)
and that there Syzran such oleografichnogo?
You do not confuse oleograph and oligophrenia ?:D
so I showed the work of this time, more precisely in 1932.
Did the structure and color of cardboard, the back side, not visible?
Yes, and the old German font 30-40x on the label.

Still, I would advise you to ask the hostess if not to the experts, just to the artists or friends, who could see the work in reality and distinguish. Because it prinitspialno - oleograph it manually or painted canvas. From this and have to dance. But here on this forum about many things tried summarily and superficially. And the level of local guru leaves much to be ... so to speak .... to put it mildly
 Can not be discounted that where trade - as always traders (remember themselves) benefit maximally reduce the price and your diamond to present to you the same as a glass. From Germany in 40 years, evacuated a huge mass of real values, there were cases that the dishes or food wrapped in old paintings or etchings shifted the cargo, the pictures were cut out and out haphazardly. Why in this period a person assiduously exported oleograph? - Well, except that a fool was quite ... both here and think.
 So I advise you not to rush to conclusions.

Евгений 05.03.2010 07:59

Ninevia, can go to a museum, or any antique salon in the city where she lives, she will explain it the same thing, what problems?
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Сообщение от Mona (Сообщение 963052)
best interest to reduce the price

 Mona, "such" do not buy these lithographs, the man asked for advice told her, if you have little knowledge of the antiques, read the forum, learn .. at any age is not too late.


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