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gans 01.02.2010 21:07

Paul Pepperstein about contemporary art
 
http://video.mail.ru/mail/msn_owl/746/766.html

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That's interesting for me, do not look, or just do not want to discuss ?:)

I think an interesting theory: "modern rich is not an aristocrat, and he has a problem with zones of exclusivity, so contemporary art at the moment and there is that the rich could enjoy something than not be able to enjoy the simple man", not far from the truth, in my opinion.

K-Maler 02.02.2010 02:33

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 885302)
oetomu contemporary art at the moment and there is that the rich could enjoy what

I have a video not included, but this quote seems nonsense or misinformation. Here's why: the direction, which is called "kontemporari" if and worth to someone in the opposition, it is the rich (as a conformist). This was started by the Futurists and the Frankfurt School theorists. Theory antikonformizma and art, not in any way orintiruyuschegosya at wealthy public and not for sale, has been drawn up just then.

SAH 02.02.2010 02:59

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 885302)
That's interesting for me,

Interestingly, only looked, живенько :D a lot of controversial, it seemed that he himself seems to contradict. :o

AlexanderG 02.02.2010 05:54

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 885302)

I think an interesting theory:

Esli razbit 'eto na dve chasti, to budet poniatnee.

 "modern rich is not an aristocrat, and he has problems with zones of exclusivity,

Sovershenno verno. Poniatie "understated wealth" prihodit vo vtorom, tret'em pokolenii.

http://englishrussia.com/?p=5254#more-5254

Segodnia rabotaet eto. Deti i vnuki etih liudei imeiut shans stat 'bolee vyderzannymi i tonkimi. Seichas idiot afrikanskii period.

 why contemporary art at the moment and there is that the rich could enjoy something than not be able to enjoy a simple man "
, not far from the truth, in my opinion.

Toze verno, mozno filosofstvovat '.

iside 02.02.2010 12:30

Cool :D "Very close to the truth. Pro golf a little misinterpretation.
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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 885852)
It seemed that he himself seems to contradict.

I do not seem, I make allowances for the fact that Paul - an artistic personality .;)

таша 02.02.2010 21:22

Paul Pepershteyn-"Decembrist" or terrible child "
 
Paul Pepershteyn in his most lucidly :D "expressed a simple idea, which is not his first visit: Actual art has become the general line, has become officially" good ". Seized power, so to speak. But where there is power and money, all right. I am very likable Pepershteyn as an artist. And the person he apparently independent and eccentric. I wonder what will pour out his protest against the system, to which it actually belongs to you? I think the 16th of February opens its exhibition in the gallery "Art-den" on the wine factory. What he would really curious about how such sentiments will be reflected in the works? The artist really interesting, therefore, doubly interesting.

kozhinart 02.02.2010 21:48

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Сообщение от Tasha (Сообщение 887522)
Paul Pepershteyn in his most lucidly :D "expressed a simple idea, which is not his first visit: Actual art has become the general line, has become officially" good ". Seized power, so to speak. But where there is power and money, all right. I am very likable Pepershteyn as an artist. And the person he apparently independent and eccentric. I wonder what will pour out his protest against the system, to which it actually belongs to you? I think the 16th of February opens its exhibition in the gallery "Art-den" on the wine factory. What he would really curious about how such sentiments will be reflected in the works? The artist really interesting, therefore, doubly interesting.

I would like to imagine that he nags at which females sidit.No in this game is present state of weightlessness, as in any game in this sistemme rules inye.Napominaet behavior dandyism.
Flowering and the most classical form dandyism account at the end of XVIII - first half of the XIX century. His homeland, as easy to guess, England.
Dandyism - not the style of fashion, but rather an entire philosophy of life genuine artistokratov (not always directly associated with the origin), legislators of style and taste in a secular society. And this philosophy vyrazhalac not only in dress but also in manners, in the way to present himself in society, to identify their uniqueness and their caste elite. The main and fundamental difference from the dandy fops, dandies usual - that the dandy is not after a fashion: on the contrary, fashion chasing him, because he sets it. His costumes dandy demonstrates that he is - the higher authority and his personal taste great and allows him to dictate fashion. Dandy makes all svoyut life, his image into a work of art.
Among well-known dandy - the names of such famous writers as Byron, Dickens, Thackeray, Oscar Wilde, Balzac, Stendhal, Barbey d'Aurevilly, Charles Baudelaire, Marcel Proust. However, a special role in the poetics of dandyism belongs to the most famous dandy of all time, the Englishman George Brummell (1778-1840), who went down in history as the Prime Minister of elegance, trendsetter, and author of "Male and female costume." Every second young aristocrat that time was becoming an imitator Brammela, and most are named his admirers was the Prince of Wales, the future British King George IV. No significant secular reception is not held without the participation of George Brummell, his presence was a sign of a special chic. about him were legends at the most prestigious balls receptions, and his name was listed first since August personages, its credibility in the field of fashion and fashionable style was unquestioned.

таша 02.02.2010 22:09

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Сообщение от kozhinart (Сообщение 887622)
I would like to imagine that he nags females which sidit.No in this game there is a state of weightlessness

That's the contradiction, that he can not cut down this bitch until it sits, because any of his artistic gestures (even protest) entering the field of modern art once owned and absorbed by the system. Then his position gets the status of "terrible child" and the protest is somehow unreal. To protest became an adult Decembrist Pepershteynu have to get off the bitch, that is out of the system. However, the Decembrists, as we know, the bad :eek:

Самвел 02.02.2010 22:19

If we decided that the "sapiens" it's time to stop in its development, the literature should speak the language naroda.I.Brodsky. Same Same can be said about art, can not talk about art in such a language, I thought he was serious hudozhnik.Ocherednoy ranter, no more.

таша 02.02.2010 22:27

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 887702)
can not talk about art in such a language

I agree with you, ears wither ... But can boiling so that no words ?:D

Кирилл Сызранский 02.02.2010 22:42

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Сообщение от Tasha (Сообщение 887522)
Current art has become the general line, has become officially "good".

This is the territory on which "the actual art was the general line"?
About what (-s) country (-HN), you say?

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Сообщение от Tasha (Сообщение 887522)
seized power, so to speak.

Where is it? When? This was announced?
Museum director. Sakharov, Yuri Samodurov and employee of the museum Liudmila Vasilovskuyu for the exhibition "Caution, Religion!" already justified?
Yuri Samodurov and Andrei Erofeev not been judged for the exhibition "Forbidden Art-2006"?
Avdey Ter-Oganyan may not have to fear prosecution for presentation at Art-Manege-98 with a performance "Young atheist, after which he was openly against the criminal trial on charges of inciting religious hatred, and then he, without waiting for the court and prison had to emigrate and to obtain political asylum in the Czech Republic?

таша 02.02.2010 23:13

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 887782)
This is the territory in which "the actual art was the general line"?
About what (-s) country (-HN), you say?

Cyril Syzransky, Pepershteyn speaks about Russia and about other countries. I'm talking mainly about Moscow (I know)
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Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
Seized power, so to speak.
Where is it? When? This was announced?

For example, Mikhail Kamensky in any transfer to the "Culture" to the question: What is a good contemporary art? said something, which are our main current picture (XL, Regina, Aidan and a few more) But actually I put it figuratively, meaning that the major developments in the artistic life (I am taking to Moscow) are connected still with the current art: Biennale , Art Moscow, Exhibitions in the NCCA and so on. If an artist does not play by the rules, he had little chance. By the way against the most current art, I have nothing against that, just know a lot of great current artists :)

iside 02.02.2010 23:41

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 887702)
Same Same can be said about art, can not talk about art in such a language

Samvel, I think of contemporary art can speak to the "actual" language.

Кирилл Сызранский 02.02.2010 23:44

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Сообщение от Tasha (Сообщение 887842)
meaning that the main developments in the artistic life (take Moscow) are connected still with the current art: Biennale, Art Moscow, Exhibitions in the NCCA and so on. If an artist does not play by the rules, he had little chance. By the way against the most current art, I have nothing against that, just know a lot of great current artists

I think that artists show traditional realist movement in Moscow in parallel exhibitions aktualschikov same place, if not even LARGE.
Biennale every two years and all. And these traditsiiey Biennale has not yet started, although people this summer at this time as there were many, Vasily Tsereteli mention of 96 thousand spectators, if not oshtbayus in numbers.
But in the NCCA who goes? 50?
All this is debatable, as are the words of our esteemed Mr. Kamensky, etc. b.. He voiced his opinion and not that of, say, manuals or the Ministry of Culture of Russia CX.
Kamensky with Gelman, Triumph with Aidan "power" has not yet captured.

Posav 02.02.2010 23:50

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 887782)
This is the territory in which "the actual art was the general line"?
About what (-s) country (-HN), you say?

About any capitalist country ... I voobscheto these thoughts were expressed a year ago and underpinned painted paintings. And Paul Pepperrshteyn just now spoke. Ha-ha. :D:cool:


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