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Дарья Николаевна 08.01.2010 14:16

How can cost this picture?
 
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Hello! 'll Show the real value of the picture, please. Inherited from his great-grandfather, insisted that Aivazovsky, which is written on baguette. But the signature on the work itself, someone erased. Wore it in the Magnum ARS, they just specialize in AYVAZOVSKOE, said it was not him, but painting an old, bad, etc. Maybe a student wrote, I do not know, in general, help to understand, I want to sell it, circumstances are forcing the issue on what you can expect. The size of 25x35 cm, made of glazed tiles, no no signatures on the back, tlko on baguette.

vyadem 08.01.2010 14:36

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Сообщение от Daria Nikolaevna (Сообщение 839262)
But the signature on the work itself, someone erased.

Probably should do a study in the infrared spectrum. It may appear worn inscription.

uriart 08.01.2010 14:40

Daria Nikolaevna, most likely this painting on porcelain. These things were done at the Imperial Porcelain Factory. They often write copy on porcelain seams with works of famous artists.

яков 08.01.2010 15:24

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Daria Nikolaevna! This work by Aivazovsky really is. Half a year ago, holding a job very similar to yours. Opinions were divided on it, but it was on the canvas and with the author's signature. I uriart rights in this case. On the photo page of the catalog with work by Aivazovsky and work that I described above.

Вивьен 08.01.2010 15:34

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 839342)
There is often written up in layers of porcelain with works of famous artists.

And good writing, according to the submitted paper.

Дарья Николаевна 08.01.2010 16:42

Please tell me if it is done at the Imperial Porcelain Factory, then some sort of symbol should be. I've considered it now, again, nothing, but in the lower right corner, where the idea should be signed, as a bud with a knife to clean off. Great-grandfather lived in Tbilisi, bought the secondhand store, the check was not found. But he said that hard to sell, it can be to buy an apartment. It turns out he either was mistaken or had been deceived. And the question in general, and remains, the price of this product, if relying on the words of a specialist Magnum Ars that it was the 19 th century, how much can it cost?

яков 08.01.2010 17:24

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Сообщение от Daria Nikolaevna (Сообщение 839812)
Please tell me if it is done at the Imperial Porcelain Factory, then some sort of symbol should be.

I think all bedet easier if you're taking a picture of the reverse side of work.

Дарья Николаевна 08.01.2010 17:42

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I nafotografirovala from all angles. Look, please.

uriart 08.01.2010 17:59

Daria Nikolaevna, please make a photo with a side light. Rather, hold the camera is not perpendicular to the sides. And that flash is not blinded to the formation.
Your grandfather probably mistaken in thinking that this is the original Aivazovsky.
Of course, if the reservoir was to mark the plant is raised to its price.

ANTIK 08.01.2010 21:51

Работка not bad as long as N /A .2000-3000 U.S. should cost.

Деко 09.01.2010 04:50

Daria Nikolaevna, I disappoint you somewhat, apartment for this picture can not buy. The layers IPE did, even their very famous in Europe, but they are always branded with the exception of the period 1814-1825gg. Done in large numbers and layers of Berlin Royal Manufactory, but there is also always stood stamp - squeezed in a test scepter.
The layers of this size and the period is always going unglazed on the reverse side. In addition, their edges slightly rounded on the perimeter. And they are less in thickness.
Your object is really more like a ceramic tile. Not very old. If you still find that the printed image - cost will be only frame.

uriart 09.01.2010 08:03

Deco, branded not always.
Very often come across strata cleanskin.
Many were published in a book Baron Wolf "Imperial Porcelain Factory 1744-1904" in komenntariyah to the photo is written, with or without a brand.

Дарья Николаевна 09.01.2010 09:11

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Сообщение от yaks, 839,511
This work by Aivazovsky really est.Pol years ago, holding a job very similar to Vashu.Mneniya on it divided, but it was on the canvas and with the author's signature.

Show you exactly how to have a Aivazovsky, this work is, I'm not strong in English, and an online translator gave - "The vessel in territorial waters" - is that right?

яков 09.01.2010 10:37

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Сообщение от Daria Nikolaevna (Сообщение 841252)
show you exactly how to have a Aivazovsky this work is, I'm not strong in English, and an online translator gave - "The vessel in territorial waters" - is that right?

Correct''vessel on the high seas,''but it's not the name of this painting by the author, is the name under which is very similar to your work painting was auctioned by Sotheby auctions.

Деко 09.01.2010 18:21

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 841222)
Deco, branded not always.
Very often come across strata cleanskin.
Many were published in the book Baron Wolf "Imperial Porcelain Factory 1744-1904" in komenntariyah to the photo is written, with or without a brand.

Uri, with a reference book I know.
Again the same thing - not some branded items in Catherine 2 and under Alexander the 1-m from 1814 to 1825gg.
In 1800 it was available, in my opinion, the Cabinet of Ministers on the need for marking all products manufactories Russia Empire. In 1815, a decree was issued for the Senate, significantly tighten previously announced requirements. In the absence of hallmarks to start fast fined, for the second time the production closed.
This is due primarily based products and taxation.
Imperial Factory was deeply spit on taxation and all of Alexander to the end of his reign is not branded. Gurevskiy, Babegonsky etc. sets - all non-branded. Under Nicholas 1-m started again branded to distinguish periods of government.
All that comes later cleanskin - Easter eggs and some sign things - for example, figures Kamensky "Peoples of Russia" is big. Or where to put nowhere, or where not be confused with its predecessor.

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Сообщение от Daria Nikolaevna (Сообщение 839812)
but in the lower right corner, where the idea should be signed, as a bud with a knife to clean off.

And you try, in fact you can clean off with a knife? Or acetone - remove?
Impression or the author of the wizard single, or a painting workshop. In the sense that it is not one of the plants with a European reputation.


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