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Alenka 06.01.2010 13:59

Saryan, 2 work, the Egyptian period
 
M. Saryan, 1911, 43 x 32 cm, Cardon, oil

M. Saryan, 1923, 47 x 32 cm, Cardon, oil

Proposals for price Please send a personal mail. Thank you.

Alenka 06.01.2010 14:37

SOLD!!
 
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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 834922)
Alenka, If this is "Sarian" meaning to sell on the Internet? Sotheby's, Christie pleased outraged by implementing ..

The sale and receipt of money very long. Yes, Christie is ready to take the next auction to be held Astron in June 2010, plus the expectation of receiving money. Entire sales process takes from 4 - to 8 months. And do not forget also that the purchase price (hammer price) must pay the auction house charges (fees). So then that is what will .... just wait six months ....

Тютчев 06.01.2010 18:00

Вложений: 4
Цитата:

Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 834832)
M. Saryan, 1911, 43 x 32 cm, Cardon, oil

M. Saryan, 1923, 47 x 32 cm, Cardon, oil

Proposals for price Please send a personal mail. Thank you.


Of course, you submit pictures are not works Saryan. These falshaki made, as many counterfeits Saryan, a method of "compilation", ie by copying parts of famous paintings of the artist for the combination of these "new" songs. So these two "durilki" made with two well-known works:

1. Fellahskaya village. 1911
    Tempera, 49h70. Signed lower right: M. Sarian. 1911.
    Ryazan Regional Art Museum.

2. Armenia. 1923
    oil on canvas. 138h103.
    In the middle of the bottom of the signature: Martiros Saryan. 1923. (in Armenian)
    On the back of the signature: M. Sarian. 1923. (in Armenian)
    National Gallery of Armenia, Yerevan.

Compare the first (1) picture - this is real work Saryan "Fellahskaya d" (unfortunately not very good quality, but I have the opportunity to see a better picture of this work), second (2) - fake. Third (3) - the real work Saryan "Armenia." 1923, and the fourth (4) - fake.

06.01.2010 20:37

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Tjutchev, ahead of ...

Another illustration after Fellahskoy Villages in the book 1988, published in Leningrad, Aurora, is Phoenician tree. The same elements. Just as a coincidence or ... the materials used for the "variation" on the subject?

uriart 06.01.2010 22:18

Alenka, even though you yourself believe in that email?

Samvel 06.01.2010 23:48

M. Saryan
 
This is a mockery of M. Saryan.

Alenka 07.01.2010 00:22

SOLD
 
Thank you for your doubts and skepticism. I'm afraid to disappoint you, but held zkspertizy (not one) have confirmed the authenticity.

job to sell.

luka77 07.01.2010 00:51

This is not Martiros, enough fun, look at least a signature, as if signed yesterday, but not in the distant 1911, when his genius blossomed.

who is an expert on Saryan could this happen? (to give such an opinion)

Тютчев 07.01.2010 01:38

Цитата:

Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 835722)
Tjutchev, beat ...

OlegTsi, did not expect! He was not on the forum 2 days, and today has gone, look - Saryan sell! ;)

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I found a clearer picture of the "Fellahskaya Village" (1911) from the Ryazan regional art museum and a good photograph of the fragment "Armenia" (1923) from the State Picture Gallery of Armenia, Yerevan:

Тютчев 07.01.2010 02:12

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I found a clearer picture of the "Fellahskaya Village" (1911) from the Ryazan regional art museum and a good photograph of the fragment "Armenia" (1923) from the State Picture Gallery of Armenia, Yerevan:

Alenka 07.01.2010 02:32

Yes, it is known to work Saryana.Kak I said, first, a job to sell, and secondly, the buyer has conducted several examinations (at their own request) and confirmed the authenticity of works. Your doubts about the authenticity is your opinion, have the right to exist.

Apparently, the Internet provides more opportunities and facilities to determine the authenticity, than those that have experts that are in the hands of specific work .....

In any case, the work sold ....
Thank you.

Wladzislaw 07.01.2010 03:01

Цитата:

Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 836252)
In any case, the work sold ....

Hmm ... For half a day? And examination for the same time? ...

Alenka 07.01.2010 03:07

Цитата:

Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 836282)
Hmm ... for half a day? And expertise during the same time? ...

No, not for half a day. Paboty were offered for sale some time ago. Today, it is confirmed and closed the deal.
Thank you.

Good work is not stale even in a crisis .....
Your concerns - it is your mind .... And to prove the contrary, foaming at the mouth, I'm not going, because I respect the views and collectors and experts. I do not have any intention "vtyuhivat bullshit", and I think that the intuition of a good idea to add the technical means available to us, thanks to progress in the 21 century. Categorically inferences based only on intuition, cause a smile .... Forgive .....

luka77 07.01.2010 03:20

Alenka,
You can show the expert opinions on these two pictures? It is interesting to look, the more so because the work sold :)

Do not get us wrong, just work openly suspicious (trees, traffic, geometry - not like a hand M. Saryan).
 If you are not completely familiar with the works of masters, compare at least the trees in the painting "Fellahskaya village with trees of your pictures of the same year (?!).
 Sarian could not represent such neither before nor after 1911

Alenka 07.01.2010 03:31

Цитата:

Сообщение от luka77 (Сообщение 836302)
Alenka,
You can show the expert opinions on these two pictures? It is interesting to look, the more so because the work sold :)

Do not get us wrong, just work openly suspicious (trees, movement, spirit, geometry - absolutely not like the hand M. Saryan).
 If you are not completely familiar with the works of masters, compare at least the trees in the painting "Fellahskaya village with trees of your pictures of the same year (?!).
 Sarian could not represent a never before nor after 1911

Findings from the buyer. I will contact him and ask him to send me, if he does not mind ... Examination conducted by the buyer from the experts they choose. In this case, be sure to lay out.
I understand everything correctly, and I was at first, "tyarzali vague doubts ..."

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Цитата:

Сообщение от luka77 (Сообщение 836302)
Alenka,
You can show the expert opinions on these two pictures? It is interesting to look, the more so because the work sold :)

One might think here someone believes conclusions .... :( "There's another picture of Saryan laid out the conclusion GTG .... So what? been accused of rigging .... :rolleyes:

It seems that the only way to prove the authenticity (and that you are not an ass) - is "to revive" Saryan and get it in written confirmation, with blood on the concrete work!


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