Can a fake without a market?
 

Mnogo napisali o poddelkah. No vsio ze okonchatel'nogo vyvoda, chto est 'poddelka ne sluchilos'.

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Forgery (flawed) - the object that simulates the look and characteristics of historical and cultural monuments, or works of art of a certain age, school, masters, created in order to be issued for the original. AP arisen in connection with awareness in society about the importance and value of works of art and monuments of history and culture are widely used as a material increase in the value of these artifacts.
Forgery exist in many areas of culture - history, literature, archeology, particularly common in various forms of art. A large number of counterfeits detected today in major museums around the world have made urgent the problem of forgery detection and prevention of their penetration into museum collections. Fakes discredit the idea and the authority of museums, form a wrong idea of creative artists, jewelers and other masters of arts and crafts, hinder the healthy development of industries, leading to erosion of quality criteria, depreciation of products with a well-deserved international reputation.
The emergence of forgery related to the knowledge society the importance of art and monuments of history and culture. In a sense, represents an original document forgery era, because determined by the tastes of society and the people of his time, and is a product and indicator of technological advances given period. The history of forgeries begins in antiquity in the Roman Empire copies of the masterpieces of Greek art, Roman patricians were sold as originals. In the 2 nd floor. 19. occur first major international works of art fraud and forgery in the penetration of the principal museums in the world. In the 20 century. counterfeiting grows into a kind of "industry". Since late. 1980. in connection with the development of market relations, the revival of antique trade, as well as the increased level of criminalization of society distributing counterfeit in Russia received a new impetus.

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Forgery


Forgery - imitation, which is usually made with the intent to maliciously distort its content or origins. The word counterfeit most frequently describes the currency or falsified documents, but can also describe things such as: clothing, software, pharmaceuticals, watches or any other product, especially when it leads to a breach of patent or trademark infringement. Often, to avoid accusations of copyright infringement on the fake stuff put brand, very similar to the original name of the issuing firms, but with a change in one or more letters in its name. Most known cases: NOKLA - NOKIA, Abibas - Adidas, etc.

In the XVI arrondissement of Paris Museum there is a forgery, which presents more than 350 objects from the familiar to all of counterfeit CD /DVD, toys and other articles of everyday use to false and forged statues of Rodin amphorae Gallo-Roman period.

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Forgery in art

Because of the high cost of art objects and jewelry tampering is widespread enough. In his paintings are rarely fake copy of the original, usually use a styling or compiling motifs drawn from several of the original characteristic of the object of fraud. As the canvas can use pictures of little-known artists of the time. Their "right", in whole or in part the original recording. Then now artificially "old", creating a plausible defects on the surface of the paint layer.

Very often counterfeit works of ancient art, for example, tiara Saitaferne. Forgery should be distinguished from the wrong dating of works of art, for example, a controversial case of a wolf.

These words are particularly relevant to modern Rossiyskogo art market. Lack of exhibitions, publications, serious research and experts in the field of Russian art exacerbate this problem! This situation creates misconceptions about Russian art as something secondary, that is about something so that you can easily replace the secondary works of Western artists without risking to be caught in a deception!

By the way very good illustration of my words from time to time arise in the discussion forum, where, quite seriously have to explain that Russian academics could draw better than their European counterparts, but because they could not write those non-professional works that attempt here vparit!

Davaite prosledim, kogda kopiia, rabota v stile, kruga, shkoly i pr stanovitsia poddelkoi. Tsepochka ne dlinnaia. Nado tol'ko dokazat ', chto zavedomo nepravil'naia rabota, byla prodana, kak nastoiaschaia.

Million iuridicheskih tonkostei.

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Tol'ko vspomnil. Odin moi priiatel ', ochen' odarionnyi hudoznik, ne mozet sebe pozvolit 'kupit' raboty, kotorye emu ochen 'nraviatsia. On delaet zamechatel'nye kopii i veshaet u sebia na stene. Seichas on ih ne prodaiot. No, chto s nimi sluchitsia pozze?

A eschio odna ideia, kopii rabot staryh masterov, starymi masterami, kotorye v dal'neishem stali ves'ma izvestnymi.

Kopii stoiat doroze originalov.

In the above you definitely say clearly-fake is a copy made with intent to pass off as original a specific author, to create a non-existent in the author of the work and actually nesoootvetstvuyuschee origin.

 If this is not the intent, it is not fake.
So I was against the definition nick, writing in the style of famous artists, but not pass them off as originals, as poddelschika with a criminal bent.
Copying the work - is one way of training the artist, and the interpenetration of ideas and the use of other authors, the usual practice of artistic life. T e is natural and can not be condemned. Another thing-like in that it is processed, what is the artistic result.

Counterfeiting is theft! This use of another's name and work without the consent of the author. Forgery done using the works of famous artist is very simple and it does not require deep skills. Forgery is - a copy of which is made even his disciples only later, with help of thieves tricks, passes for podlennik. It's like that to open the safe with money, at night and a stranger.

But what if the chain of scam is as follows: the artist writes in the style of famous artists, or similar, the mediator or mediators have added to the product of "the appropriate charm." On one occasion when I was in the academy: the artist bought the setting, then saw it in an antique shop as a thing 19 century?

Counterfeiting is fraud!

Fraud is intentional deception or breach of trust with the purpose of obtaining any benefit.
Stealing is in the popular notion is synonymous with theft.
And really, this is a secret theft of property theft.

kozhinart, but with the artist here? You can buy a dozen marinas, sign them Aivazovsky. Who gives as another original author - and he commits an offense.
90%of contemporary artists, writers still lives in the so-called "realism" can be accused of copying and shamelessly leverage from Cezanne. And what of that? They'll not pass it off as original Cezanne. Someone who takes this work and gives a Cezanne, and he commits forgery.

Soglasen, ved 'kopiist ne vsegda znaet, chto budet s ego rabotoi.

T.e. esli net rynka sbyta, to poddelka iavliaetsia bessmyslennoi.

Theoretically yes, but practically you can blame everything on how the scheme will build hudozhnika.Smotrya fraudsters ...:shy:

Esli hudoznik sam ne prodaiot, to svalit 'na nego budet ochen' trudno.

[QUOTE=AlexanderG;830192] Mnogo napisali o poddelkah. No vsio ze okonchatel'nogo vyvoda, chto est 'poddelka ne sluchilos'.

Vot neskol'ko opredelenii iz rossiiskih istochnikov:
DICTIONARY
museum terms


Forgery (flawed) - the object that simulates the look and characteristics of historical and cultural monuments, or works of art of a certain age, school, masters, created in order to be issued for the original.



Forgery - imitation, which is usually made with the intent to maliciously distort its content or origins.

 I do agree with the second opredeleniem.S modern forgeries clear the artist is aware of what will be the use of his copy of the * application *. A signature is not relevant to the author and is poddelka.sovremenaya net.dazhe it or when the work performed by students.
I have long exactly this question interisoval-whether my work kleverkov * * with the native signature S Klever be considered authentic. (Although on luxury provenans.ekspertizy GTG.Grabarya)
Naverno.kto thrill and for his Ayvazovski?

I would have just the opposite would have said: "blame" on the artist's almost impossible.
And second: tell me how many of you know of examples in Russia initiate criminal proceedings on the fact of selling counterfeit (-lok)? Simple excitations, rather than the courts there, or timing.

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Interesting.
Signed accurately kleverovskaya, and the things themselves are not they written?
And this is recorded in these examinations, GTG.Grabarya?

[QUOTE=mihailovoh;830582]A kakova al'ternativa, kto schitaet, chto oni ne podlinnye?

And if so: bought from the artist's painting is very similar to the artist NN.Zaplatili him? More ... given the amount of the artist NN, sold, but the buyer finds out that it is not NN ... The artist was asked to purchase just emit a signature artist NN, to ascertain the ability to .. It is not necessary ... They took samples .. then the artist receives a substantial sum for the sold work, not normal for his fees or otherwise ... .. It gives them an unknown benefactor ... The fact that the artist suddenly razbogotel know the right people ... Winner of forgery proiformirovan that the artist of all deceived, and here the artist's hit by a car ... It is possible for another, it's just thinking ... There is the way memories of the artist who made the forgery Pts. interesting ...:(