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яков 29.12.2009 00:38

Help identify the person in the portrait
 
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Oil on Canvas, 103h85, G. Bobrowski, 1935. Signed left bottom
Professor Stein von Memel "inscription in pencil on stretcher
Presumably a doctor involved in the Leningrad the doctors
It seems to be Bobrowski was acquainted with the person depicted in portrete.Budu extremely grateful for any information about the person portrayed, on the terms of personal acquaintances Bobrovskogo.Hudozhnik known for sure who either faced with his okruzheniem.Zaranee grateful s.uv.Yakov.

Allena 29.12.2009 11:10

yak, please, if possible, take a photo of the inscription.

яков 29.12.2009 11:19

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Сообщение от Allena (Сообщение 823532)
yak, please, if possible, take a photo of the inscription.

Unfortunately work is not at hand, I can only take pictures tomorrow, but I literally copied the inscription and printed vyshe.Spasibo.

Allena 29.12.2009 13:45

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 823092)
Supposedly the doctor involved in the Leningrad the doctors
It seems to be Bobrowski was acquainted with the person depicted in the portrait.

Jacob, and this information can be trusted? Where it is taken? Painting 1935, Bobrowski died in 1942, "the doctors' case" began in January 1953. On what basis is shown associated with the "business doctors"?

яков 29.12.2009 18:25

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Сообщение от Allena (Сообщение 823792)
James, but this information can be trusted? Where it is taken? Painting 1935, Bobrowski died in 1942, "the doctors' case" began in January 1953. On what basis is shown associated with the "business doctors"?

It seems to me particularly believe in the''cause''of doctors do not want this information passed from mouth to mouth in a family where there was rabota.Kto then when he said, or assumed, or anything really voobshchem not yasno.God 1935 stands next to the signature of the artist - oil on the front of holsta.Kto and when Set pencil inscription in the back again - do not know about the doctors, in general, only verbal informatsiya.Edinstvennoe that it can be argued, is the fact that the portrait is made G. Bobrowski in 1935 and more or less clearly in the family explains, is that the work was taken from Peter and the fact that the artist was well acquainted with the man shown in portrete.Bolshoe thank you for your participation! s.uv.Yakov.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.12.2009 18:39

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 823092)
in Leningrad the doctors

There is a "Leningrad Affair" (started in the 49th) and "Doctors' Plot" (early 48th g.). Different things and different figures of the.
And.

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 823092)
Professor Stein von Memel

Can you imagine: the USSR in the 35-m and a person name with the prefix "von"?

Wladzislaw 29.12.2009 18:46

I think that in this case "background" simply means "from" and not a noble predicate.

яков 29.12.2009 18:48

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 824622)
There are "Leningrad Affair" (started in the 49th) and "Doctors' Plot" (early 48th g.). Different things and different figures of the.
And.


Can you imagine: the USSR in the 35-m and a person name with the prefix "von"?

Earlier I wrote that when and by whom Set pencil inscription on the stretcher - not izvestno.Ishodya this seems to me that attach to the doctors did not sleduet.Ya primarily appeal to professionals who know a close circle of friends of the artist in 1930, their years. Thank you.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.12.2009 19:00

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 824652)
I think that in this case "background" simply means "from" and not a noble predicate.

A-ah ... Ponyatnenko ...
This artist G. Bobrowski in 1935godu so wrote:
von Stein, Professor Memel , instead of: Professor Stein from Klaipeda.

яков 29.12.2009 19:10

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 824652)
I think that in this case "background" simply means "from" and not the predicate of nobility.

Tell Wladzislaw and you met with any such replacement "background" to "out", or is it just an assumption erupted over the fact that Memel - it mestnost.Spasibo!.

redbor 29.12.2009 23:07

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 824622)
Can you imagine: the USSR in the 35-m and a person name with the prefix "von"?

 Quite. Perhaps this Stein von Memel in 1935 was still a citizen of Lithuania or Latvia, and could be any baronial titles.
I only became a citizen of the USSR in 1940.
For that fell under the repression in 1949.
 (I, by the way familiar with one von Stein)

Кирилл Сызранский 29.12.2009 23:21

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Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 825032)
I am the way familiar with one von Stein

Who is not familiar with von Stein?
But with Stein von Memel, and familiar?
:D

redbor 29.12.2009 23:53

No, von Memel repressed in 1949. Probably the latter.

яков 29.12.2009 23:58

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Set a few more photos, behind these inscriptions is not even photograph it, but on closer examination, the average bracket stretcher reads''Str. Dragomanova.sobst.B .. Martyneka''. Street Dragomanova - is in Lviv.
It seems to be this Martynek what is collector [may have on the forum who is from Lviv anyone familiar with this name]. So, the two inscriptions - one written by hand, it follows that the upper inscription is not the author's and Pan Martyneka from Lviv. [But once wrote -- means that you know, I feel alone] Well, really really want to know who are still depicted in the portrait, any, even the not much information could be at least what it zatsepkoy.Ne think that I'm lazy to dig into the internet, I'm just not something I can not find I think there needs some books which I net.Vsem spasibo.S.uv.Yakov.

Wladzislaw 30.12.2009 00:13

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Сообщение от yaks (Сообщение 824742)
Tell Wladzislaw and you met with any such replacement "background" to "out", or is it just an assumption erupted over the fact that Memel - it mestnost.Spasibo!.

In general, the actual "background" is a direct translation of "from". All of the old nobility "von" and means the place /possession. We nobilitirovannyh - this is courtesy.

In his explanation, I proceeded from the fact that he had never heard of such a noble way, in any case in Imperial Russia.

I looked "Prussian" (1837) and "German" (1868) noble lexicons and "handbook of the Prussian nobility" (1892), the names of C. f.. M. No, and in Prussia did not mention the nobles Stein.


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