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AlexanderG 09.12.2009 05:42

Who should pay for the hobby?
 
And yet, there are artists who do not write for the market, but because they are artists and can not be different.

Prochital mnozestvennye vyskazyvaniia napomonaiuschee eto v raznyh modifikatsiiah.

Voznik vopros: Esli hudoznik utverzdaet, chto on ne mozet ne pisat, i vsia zizn 'u nego v etom, pochemu on schitaet, chto kto-to za eto dolzen platit'?

Pisal by sebe i horosho, pochemu na rynok rvat'sia nado?

Est 'ogromnoe kolichestvo weekend artists, oni rabotaiut i udeliaiut vremia svoemu liubimomu delu, prodaz ne ozidaiut.

Romario 09.12.2009 07:42

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Still, there are artists who do not write for the market, but because they are artists and can not be different.

Prochital mnozestvennye vyskazyvaniia napomonaiuschee eto v raznyh modifikatsiiah.

Voznik vopros: Esli hudoznik utverzdaet, chto on ne mozet ne pisat, i vsia zizn 'u nego v etom, pochemu on schitaet, chto kto-to za eto dolzen platit'?

Pisal by sebe i horosho, pochemu na rynok rvat'sia nado?

Est 'ogromnoe kolichestvo weekend artists, oni rabotaiut i udeliaiut vremia svoemu liubimomu delu, prodaz ne ozidaiut.

Denyuzhku now everyone loves ;)

AlexanderG 09.12.2009 08:00

Ia dumaiu, chto detal'noe obsuzdenie etoi temy budet ves'ma polezno dlia hudoznikov i galeristov. Eto dast vozmoznost 'uvidet' sebia na rynke, otsnit 'shansy na finansovoe vyzivanie. Posmotret 'na sebia s drugoi storony prilavka !:D

Mihail 09.12.2009 14:21

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Voznik vopros: Esli hudoznik utverzdaet, chto on ne mozet ne pisat, i vsia zizn 'u nego v etom, pochemu on schitaet, chto kto-to za eto dolzen platit'?

And in fact, it's time to stop paying for the work of artists, they still write a will, a brilliant idea !!!!!

LCR 09.12.2009 14:30

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Indeed, time to stop paying for the work of artists, they still will write, brilliant idea !!!!!

Yes, Kostaki said about the same, taking up his old age writing pictures: "I did not know what this is fun!" Why did I pay them? " (presumably, it nevertheless comforted by the fact that he had paid so little that it is not even considered :D

AlexanderG 09.12.2009 14:57

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Сообщение от Mihail (Сообщение 774872)
In fact, time to stop paying for the work of artists, they still will write, brilliant idea !!!!!

Vy, pohoze, ne vnimatel'no prochitali. Ia ne govoril o rabote, esli ona vostrebovana, to za nee, bezuslovno, budut platit '.

Ia govoril ob uvlechenii. Eto ne znachit, chto svoiu rabotu ne nado liubit '.

No mezdu professionalami i liubiteliami - propast '.

I vtoroe predlozenie bylo, postavit 'sebia na mesto pokupatelia. Pochemu vy hotite kupit '?

Семен Семенович 09.12.2009 15:06

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 774402)
Voznik vopros: Esli hudoznik utverzdaet, chto on ne mozet ne pisat, i vsia zizn 'u nego v etom, pochemu on schitaet, chto kto-to za eto dolzen platit'?

Here arises the answer is simple - no one owed nothing to anybody. Until and unless people come into the system of contractual obligations. And this applies not only to the gallery and the artist, but also an actor and theater, writer and publisher ....
The artist can work quietly in the studio and create, in the hope that it works in the future will occupy a worthy place in world history of art. And perhaps this will happen ... But if an artist wants to be recognition in his lifetime, he would still have to reckon with the surroundings, and plunge into the world of complex relationships, where everyone takes their relying place. And not always (and in the beginning of the road and very rarely) the first artist to play ...
Not think it possible in their work to interfere in the creative process, which occupied the artist in his quest, experiments ... Of course, there are certain nuances in the contract works, but here, the main underlining is a professional author. Professionalism galereista often manifests itself in subtle maneuvering between the desires of the customer (buyer) and the vision of the artist, giving the desired result. But, I am deeply convinced that the artist, too, may not specify how to work galereistu. After the result of both - a work created by the author, and liked zakzchiku Bartered galereistom for staging all costs. Which grows on the market, reflecting the relevance of this artist ...

Jasmin 09.12.2009 15:06

And I have another idea you liked:
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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 774402)
Pisal by sebe i horosho, pochemu na rynok rvat'sia nado?

:)
Indeed, why ?:D
 But it would be good defensive barrier at the entrance to the market place, or spread out the network for "inappropriate" (the criteria themselves invented), but even better - shoot insolent to teach was a "break" ... A "high-handed" - on temechku on temechku! ... It would be nice to have a regulated market, where we will determine who is worthy to enter the market, and then continue to the "destination", and who is - no!
Democracy, free market, competition .....:p:D:eek:

AlexanderG 09.12.2009 15:41

Here arises the answer is simple - no one owed nothing to anybody. Until and unless people come into the system of contractual obligations.

Solotye slova! Sovershenno soglasen.

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 775012)
And I have another idea you liked:
:)
Indeed, why ?:D

Vo ti ia sprashivaiu! Otvechaite ze :)

 But it would be good defensive barrier at the entrance to the market place, or spread out the network for "inappropriate" (the criteria themselves invented), but even better - shoot insolent to teach was a "break" ... A "high-handed" - on temechku on temechku! ... It would be nice to have a regulated market, where we will determine who is worthy to enter the market, and then continue to the "destination", and who is - no!

A eto vashi sposoby regulirovaniia ?:D

Democracy, free market, competition .....:p:D:eek:

A eto mechty ?:D

Mihail 09.12.2009 16:00

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 774972)
Vy, pohoze, ne vnimatel'no prochitali. Ia ne govoril o rabote, esli ona vostrebovana, to za nee, bezuslovno, budut platit '.

Ia govoril ob uvlechenii. Eto ne znachit, chto svoiu rabotu ne nado liubit '.

No mezdu professionalami i liubiteliami - propast '.

if a person touches a brush to canvas, it is already working, he spends time, energy - it is work, work must be paid - no difference, amateur or professional ... this hobby, or substantive work ....

Jasmin 09.12.2009 16:05

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 775122)
A eto mechty?

"But it would be good defensive barrier at the entrance to the market place, or spread out the network for" inappropriate "(the criteria themselves invented), or better yet - shoot insolent to teach was a" break "... and" presumptuous "- on temechku, to temechku! ... It would be nice to have a regulated market, where we will determine who is worthy to enter the market, and then continue to the "destination", and who is - no! "

Did not ?;););)
In my opinion, this is your dream! And democracy, freedom and competition - all this is really in Australia .:)

AlexanderG 09.12.2009 17:16

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if a person touches a brush to canvas, it is already working, he spends time, energy - it is work, work must be paid - no difference, amateur or professional ... this hobby, or substantive work ... .

Trud mozet byt 'oplachen, no ne dolzen byt' oplachen. Esli vy naiomnyi rabochii na zarplate, to dolzen, av ostal'nyh sluchaiah mozet.

Raznitsa vsio ze est '.

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Is not no ?;););)

Ia toze ob etom mechtaiu, a nekotorye govoriat, chto ia ne romantik :D:D

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if a person touches a brush to canvas, it is already working, he spends time, energy - it is work, work must be paid - no difference, amateur or professional ... this hobby, or substantive work ... .

A eschio inogda ot etih prikosnovenii holst stanovitsia second-hand, i za nego daze toi tseny ne poluchit, chto zaplatili.

Mihail 09.12.2009 17:34

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if a person touches a brush to canvas, it is already working, he spends time, energy - it is work, work must be paid - no difference, amateur or professional ... this hobby, or substantive work ....
Trud mozet byt 'oplachen, no ne dolzen byt' oplachen. Esli vy naiomnyi rabochii na zarplate, to dolzen, av ostal'nyh sluchaiah mozet.

Raznitsa vsio ze est '.

 By your logic, if an artist not a hired worker, and freelance writer, so even an amateur writer by passion, his work should not be paid, but it can, ie at the request wants to fuck now .... Excellent and genius ..... )))))

AlexanderG 09.12.2009 17:41

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Сообщение от Mihail (Сообщение 775722)
According to your logic, if the artist is not a hired worker, and freelance writer, so even an amateur writer by passion, his work should not be paid, but it can, ie at the request wants to fuck now .... Excellent and brilliantly .....)))))

A chto v etom strannogo? Liubaia rabota na vol'nyh hlebah oplachivaetsia prii nalichii dvustoronnego soglasheniia. V etom prelest 'i v etom risk.

Nu naprimer, vy po svoei initsiative nachniote podmetat 'trotuar. Eto ze trud? Trud. Dolzen on byt 'oplachen? Net. No esli komu-to ponravitsia, to mozet .:)

Jasmin 09.12.2009 18:04

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 775552)
Ia toze ob etom mechtaiu, a nekotorye govoriat, chto ia ne romantik

No "too "...:) I described only by your dreams, and they are not romantic ...


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