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iosif 15.09.2008 19:10

Artistic rating
 
And what colleagues say about these artistic rankings? They really affect the value or not?

SergeiSK 15.09.2008 19:54

I am personally very negative attitude to a single artistic rating. And it publish and republish constantly! So this is somebody needs - get over these non-professional edition of money. Generally this rating as a classifier, we must uprazdit and not stick to it no where! And the cost of those of the sponsors he has no effect on prices influence the market and demand. And of course the artistic and social value of the work.
Well that's just from memory:
Sverchkov - 2B
Schilder - 3B
Sychkov - 2B
Albert Benoit - 2B
Burliuk 2A
Rabin - 2A
Svetoslavsky - 3A
And our leading figures:
Nikas - 2B
Tsereteli - 2B
Glazunov - 1B (I think rightly)
Shilov - 1B
Such examples in this book are myriad. Data are from the 10 th issue. I suspect that in the 15th with luminaries already on 1A: D
And where is the real reflection of the merits and sales of artists in this ranking?

Самвел 15.09.2008 20:10

And how to treat Handbook DAR prices on Russian iskusstvo.Kotory out since 2005.

SergeiSK 15.09.2008 20:52

Цитата:

Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 54856)
And how to treat Handbook DAR prices on Russian art

As a humorous edition ....

Самвел 15.09.2008 21:01

I wanted to say that a comedy /humor of the two.

antip 15.09.2008 21:24

Directory DAR.Obektivno listed prices for some of the best works of artists performed mainly at the "peak" of creative activity.
Example: Golovchenko, KA (1925-2003), sales to 12.000 $.
            Today the market of tens of easel paintings by this artist can
            purchase up to $ 400-500. This applies to many other creators of the brush
            This category of artists.

SergeiSK 15.09.2008 21:36

antip,
And his rating 4B, as in A. Prokofiev and FP Riznichenko, the paintings are actually sold for $ 15000-30000. And that - someone will buy Golovchenko? And maybe buy - who like pop, and who his wife .. : D

iosif 15.09.2008 21:42

SergeiSK,
and on the western art market are analogues of similar ratings? Or is it just our invention?

SergeiSK 15.09.2008 22:13

iosif,
To tell the truth - which I do not know that I do not know .... It seems to me that this "rating" purely our phenomenon and eventually it just disappears.

antip 15.09.2008 22:24

Цитата:

Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 55046)
iosif,
To tell the truth - which I do not know that I do not know .... It seems to me that this "rating" purely our phenomenon and eventually it will just disappear.

Not ischeznet.Tak, if not disappeared типаж Ostap Bender, who, as
know knew 10 ways to "relatively honest weaning citizens
money.

Glasha 15.09.2008 22:47

Цитата:

Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 54826)
prices influence the market and demand

I think this is best.

It is not entirely true statement that sounded here that the "auction sale- is the only objective indicator the success of an artist.
Familiar with some of the artists (with a category 3A:)), which is on the site have one crazy random sales (of course, Gelos), and in doing so and have their market, and all of them normal, and the auction rate of sales even in the head is not want to take

antip 15.09.2008 23:08

Цитата:

Сообщение от Gala (Сообщение 55126)
I think this is best.

It is not entirely true statement that sounded here that the "auction sale- is the only objective indicator the success of an artist.
Familiar with some of the artists (with a category 3A:)), which is on the site have one crazy random sales (of course, Gelos), and in doing so and have their market, and all of them normal, and the auction rate of sales even in the head is not want to take

Here fully agree with you, and on melons there.

Wladzislaw 16.09.2008 00:29

Цитата:

Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 54976)
SergeiSK,
and on the western art market are analogues of similar ratings? Or is it just our invention?

Are published yearly handbooks with auction prices of sales operations. There is such German. There are two prices for the yearbook on printmaking.

Самвел 16.09.2008 11:25

I think there should not demand breeds supply, but on the contrary, proposals should beget demand. A proposal is very small, this applies to all areas of culture. Is suggested to any nonsense.

Meister 16.09.2008 11:27

Цитата:

Сообщение от antip (Сообщение 55146)
auction sale, the only objective indicator of the success of the artist

this is not so sure, but they greatly influence the price level of the artist and, in the case of record sales, the general price level rises.


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